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Lostwatch: We All Know the Story

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The Oceanic Six meet the press. / ABC

SPOILER ALERT: Before you read this post, enter the greenhouse through a hole, find the patch of anthuriums, flip the switch behind them and watch last night's Lost.

To be continued!

Not that much to say about the penultimate episode of Lost, since it's really the first third of a three-hour finale. As such, it was more about air-traffic control than anything: 44 minutes, basically, of moving characters from one place to another on the island so the pieces could be in place two weeks from now. (This episode, I think, is where we see our strike-related story compression. The machinations of getting Kate into the jungle, getting the baby, handing him off to Sun and hustling back—it was like a freaking relay race.)

But let's talk a little about one bit of "No Place Like Home, pt. 1" that bears a little investigation, the flash-forward. The opening scene, with the Oceanic 6 on the transport and the tarmac, was the one I saw at the upfront this week, and while I didn't think it was very spoilery, it does contain a big riddles of this finale. "We all know the story," Jack tells the rest of the Six, who numbly play along (and don't necessarily seem that pleased with him). What is the story? It involves a wrecked Indonesian fishing boat and, it seems, doesn't hold water nearly as well, though Michelle Forbes extricates the Six before they get caught in any inconsistencies.

But more important: Why the story? We're two hours away from the season's end, and presumably the rescue, yet there's no indication yet of any reason the survivors would need to cover up their rescue. There are plenty of reasons you could imagine, though. For instance: the lie seems to involve their hiding the fact that there are still people on the Island, right? Does it also involve their covering up the existence, and the location, of the Island? If so, who is it that would want the Island undiscovered? Someone hiding it from Charles Widmore, perhaps? Are the Six hiding something for Ben? Was he responsible for their rescue? And even if so, why would they possibly want to co-operate with him? What leverage does he have?

(You'd have to think it isn't Widmore imposing the lie on them, right? After all, we know that he's unable to locate the Island—which you would think does not bode well for the fate of his henchmen, who could otherwise report back to him on what has happened.)

Two more weeks of wondering. In the meantime, the hail of bullets:

* Besides showing us the Oceanic Six getting their story straight, the plane and landing scene gave us a good character moment for Kate, which has become a rare thing. The image of her standing isolated and forgotten on the airfield, with only someone else's baby to cling to while everyone else gets a warm welcome home (even Hurley pulls Sayid, but not her, aside to meet his folks—dis!) pointed up her loneliness nicely.

* I love Badass Future Sun! Having said that, how could any airline settlement give you enough money to purchase a controlling interest in a South Korean conglomerate? Or is this an alternate universe in which the dollar is really strong?

* Interesting that, when the Beachies overhear the conversation about the Orchid, it's nice-guy Daniel, not shifty Charlotte, who holds back that he knows what the Orchid is, and how this move means that anyone remaining on the Island is toast.

* Good to hear Sawyer spouting Sawyerisms again, but he also got off an allusion to season finales past: "You don't get to die alone." Any others I missed?

* Yet again Hurley becomes the conduit for addressing a fan theory/criticism, when the reporter asks him how he managed to survive months on a desert island without dropping an ounce. ("Was that directed at me, dude?")

* Speaking of Hurley, the interplay between him, Locke and Ben has been so good that I hope the show isn't about to enter some extended period (as hinted at in the flash-forwards) when Ben doesn't have contact with any of the Losties except Sayid.

* And speaking of Sayid, recall Ben's words to him in his flash-forward about what happened the last time he thought with his heart. Are we about to see that in the finale, or was that a reference to Nadia's (future, yet at that point in the narrative past) death?

* The revelation (to Jack, not us) that Claire was his half-sister was nicely done on a few levels: it made Jack confront yet another of Christian's deceptions after having the closure of the memorial service; it was a good character moment for Matthew Fox; and it looks like the first crack in Future Jack's determined belief that they had done the right thing in getting out and telling the cover story—since he not only has to face that he left a blood relative behind, but cannot tell her mother what happened to her, nor that she has just met her own grandson.

* So what about Daniel, Myles, Frank and Charlotte going forward? Do they manage to have a role next season, or is their purpose on the Island another casualty of strike compression?

* Either way, I'm inclined to think that the strike had unintended benefits for Lost. Whatever season 4 had to drop in terms of story and plot mechanics, it gained in speed and urgency. Agree or disagree?

* The Others! Oh, yeah, them.

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Reader Comments (56)

Chris Kw.:

The best moments of this episode were in the flash-forwards. That was some of the best character drama that has happened on this show since it returned in April. If Matthew Fox never gets nominated for an Emmy, it will be one of the all-time greatest snubs ever.

@James I said the same thing about Sun and the settlement. Oceanic might have given her more since she lost a husband as well. Plus, she could have already had some sort of stock ownership so the money just put her over the majority line.

I was also confused if Hurley took the settlement money but refused to take the lottery money back. That would seem kind of odd if I was a member of the media.

Kate was taken by Richard and the Others. In the Jack flashback, Jack said that he, not Sawyer, went to save Kate. Who is he going to save her from? I feel that Richard plans on using Sayid and Kate help to fight the freighter folk at the Orchid. After all, Ben signaled to Richard at the beginning of the episode.

Fianlly, it is now clear why the writers needed an extra hour for the finale. Like James, I don't see how they are going to be able to tell the entire rescue story whey you consider that a good amout of the episode will be flash-forwars. That leaves about an ONE HOUR of on-island action.

SeannyD:

Excellent episode. Despite the flash-forwards, this reminded me of a good early episode of Lost. All too often, I think people can get caught up with plot at the expense of character. The opening of the show alone had enough emotional gravitas to last an entire episode. I found myself more concerned with how the characters were feeling as opposed to how events transpired. That's not to say that I had no interest in how events transpired though. This IS Lost afterall.

Funny though how years ago one would have expected that scene (or a variation of it) to be in one of the last episodes of the entire series, and yet, here we are with quite a few more episodes go.

It seems as if the entire Oceanic 6, with the exception of Sun/Aaron, are heading into the jungle. I wonder if the Orchid has anything to do with their rescue? Transport the six to an area where they can be picked up and boom. Problem solved. Also it does seem that Sun kinda wants to get off the boat with what appears to be hundreds of pounds of C4.

@James- What is it about the story that doesn't hold much weight for you? The only question I'd have is why they were so healthy. And what reason would the general public have to doubt the believability of the story? Plane crashes, they survive despite the odds and live on an island. But maybe I'd just be too gullible in a situation like this in reality.

Mike:

Says a lot about this show when they have two air traffic control shows in a row basically and I'm still giddy after watching them...The final montage of each of the groups sayid/kate, ben/locke/hurley, sun, and jack/sawyer was just a great scene. Reminds me that I love this show not just because of the ridiculous plot and great writing, its also because they have great characters that you can identify it and supplement it with just great supporting work, the cinematography, music etc. It was a very powerful scene for me...

Mike:

oops, characters you can identify *with*, not it

James Poniewozik:

@SeannyD: In the space of a minute or so, the reporters at the press conference were making Jack sweat over the specifics of how the Six survived the crash and floated to the island; zeroed in on the implausibility of Kate's having been six months' pregnant when she was in custody; and raised the issue of how healthy the survivors looked. It seemed to me that scene was trying to say that their cover story could have gotten picked apart if it were scrutinized closely. (But, as Jack points out, they're fortunate that probably nobody wants to ruin the feel-good story by giving the survivors of a traumatic plane crash the third degree.)

antilles:

Some general comments...

- Loved Sun/Jin's reaction to hearing (and then seeing) Michael. A true WTF moment for the characters at least.

- No reaction from Sun's parents regarding the fact that she, oh, somehow learned to speak fluent English trapped on an island with six other adults for 108 days?!?!

- The return of the numbers. I heard that right, didn't I? Oceanic's rep said they were on the island for 108 days? Also, Hurly in the car...

- I had the same reaction as James to Sun buying up 51% of the company. No way a plane crash settlement is that much, if Paik's really as big and far-reaching as we've been led to believe. Of course, she must have already had some money lying around.

- It's interesting how Locke was the one given the orders, but Ben is the one "executing" the order still. He's the one "with the plan."

- Those crackers are 15 years old.

antilles:

oh, and...

- Daniel and his notebook. How does he know about the Orchid (complete with handwritten notes and the symbol)?

- Sarah wasn't at the funeral? (I'm sure meaningless - just actress unavailability - but still.)

- Anyone get a read on Jack's eulogy? "This is for me, not him." Does Jack finally have a confrontation with his father/father's ghost on the island? Or am I reading too much into that...

SeannyD:

@James: Ok, I see what you mean. My statement seemed to be more in regard to the fact that I wouldn't think that anyone would even bother to give them the third degree or attempt to poke holes in their story. What I took from the reporter's questions was just them working as a proxy for the audience in that these are all questions that we would have.

What I find most interesting about this is that the show is ultimately about redemption. Once some other survivors are inevitably rescued and brought back to the mainland, this entire story becomes a lie. Jack even committed perjury. How will society react to this?


I must also mention Michael Giacchino. Even with a rising career in movies, including an Oscar nomination, he nevertheless continues to create new themes and expand upon his old ones. I cannot think of any television show that uses orchestral music so effectively.

jhuggins:

So what, exactly, is the point of the whole appendicitis stuff? We know Jack will be okay because he's one of the 6 to return home. So all this hand-wringing over his bleeding wound seems sort of pointless.

Matt:

I'm curious to see what happens between the O6 as they've been off island for a while -- everyone came to Hurley's party, but only he went to Ji Yeon's birth? Other than Kate & Aaron, of course. Legal trouble'll do that to ya.

Also...

When Sun was putting the smack-down on her father, she said two people were responsible for his death (or "death"?) and that Mr. Paik was one... WHO IS THE OTHER?

Brasscap:

I think his bleeding is supposed to underscore his urgency and desperation to fulfill his promise of getting everyone off the island. As you said, there's no drama to milk because we know he ends up fine. I guess that's the reason for including the appendicitis mini-story at all.

Also, was it relevent that the crackers were 15 years old? What was going on 15 years ago?

Mike:

@SeannyD - thank you, Giacchino's name was on the tip of my tongue earlier but I couldn't think of it. His score is maybe one of the most underrated parts of this show

SeannyD:

@Matt: Is it possible that Sun blames herself for putting Jin in that position? She could be the other.

Elemenope:

I would bet that the C4 explosive device is somehow related to the device strapped to the lead soldier fellow; e.g. if he dies, it sends a signal to blow up the ship (or probably more accurately, ceases sending the signal that is interfering with the navigation equipment, the cessation of which then causes the detonation).

Emilia:

I loved Ben's line: "I always have a plan." I thought they could have played that scene out a little more dramatically - you know, stress the fact that Ben's desperate "plan" is actually to sacrifice himself for the sake of the Losties. I love that guy...

antilles:

@Elemenope - I completely forgot about that devise. I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.

@Brasscap - personally, I took the cracker thing as just a joke. But that would date the crackers to pre-purge. Wonder why Ben would have that survival kit stashed way out there back then?

James Poniewozik:

Elemonope:

Yeah, I had thought, but don't think I mentioned in my write-up, that the thing Keamy flashed was some sort of dead-man switch, though I'm not sure how it would have activated. (Does it read his pulse?)

SeannyD:

@Emilia: I really don't think that Ben's plan is either desperate or for the sake of the Losties. He knows they won't kill him. He's needed alive, for whatever reason. His duty is to protect the island. By going out into the open, he presents a diversion so the guns are pointed on him instead of Locke. Now, how he plans on getting out of this said situation, I'm curious to see since it's obvious he does escape.


Tom Shaw:

This is going to be brief, because one minor detail has blown my mind.

Sun: We knew she was seperated from her parents from her earlier flashforward. However, I was wrong about the why: If Jin was "assigned" to crash on 815, Sun doesn't know it; that was merely the pissed off of a wife whose boss' business got her husband killed, not the pissed off of a wife whose father intentionally whacked her husband. I guess Widmore is the other half of the blame.
And even if her husband died, the settlement money between the two of them isn't enough to buy half (or half minus whatever she already owned) of Paik industries. Something tells me Richard floated her a loan.

Time differences: The Losties are only "stranded" on the cover story island for 105 days (This is day 101 on the Island). Implying that Island time/Real World time do not move at different rates, only that going through the barrier surrounding the Island causes time distortions.

Footnote: The Lostiverse tsunami mentioned is the result of the displacement of water caused by the Island suddenly going somewhere/when else. I don't know if it is in good taste to mix natural catastrophes with physics realism.

Christian's funeral: Was 10 months after his death/815 crash, but the O6 make it back to civilization in only 3 and a half months. Was Jack just busy with other 815 "funerals", for people he "never met", for the last 6 months?
And is it just me, or did nothing in that speech categorically say he was dead?

The cover story: By no means airtight, as the press conference suggested. What's even more odd is that the O6ers aren't very adept at making it up as they go along - when they point out Kate was clearly not 6 months pregnant, why didn't Jack say the stress caused Aaron to be born prematurely? Etc.

The Lie: Clearly Locke moves the Island via The Orchid. Interesting how Ben gets himself captured though (as opposed to signaling his Others to storm Keamy's forces) - I'm guessing one of The Rules is that Ben can't move The Island (but can give all the right hints to Locke). So now that the O6 are off The Island and the other (or should that be, now Other) 815ers are Lost to the O6, what advantage do they have in admitting the 815ers are alive? All it would do is have more people searching for the Island - and Ben/Richard may have made it clear that the 815ers will die if anyone invades.

The mind-blower: You guys were half right about Keamy's armband. It is a dead man's switch - but it doesn't blow Keamy up, it blows the freighter up. But check the logic chain:

Blowing up the freighter works to contain 815/The Others on The Island.
Widmore knows The Others have a way to get off The Island via the recon photo of Ben at an airport (aka the sub).
Therefore blowing up the freighter only works if the sub has been taken care of.
Abaddon wanted Locke to go on his walkabout, because he knew his plane would crash, that Locke would be healthy, that Ben would be sick, that Ben would kidnap the doctor he needed, that Locke would go after Jack, and that Ben would manipulate Locke to blow up the sub to prevent defections when times got tough during one of the invasions (815 and then Widmore).

Yes, I'm the one saying 815 was intentional, but that was just getting the right bait on the plane (surgeons, pregnant women, fertile women) so Ben couldn't kill them as they landed and waiting for human nature to lead to them killing each other until someone cried for outside help.
This on the other hand is like 17 higher levels of prediction/ precognition / sickness reconnaissance.

Tom Shaw:

And yes, Michael Giacchino is awesome. I was especially impressed with his work on The Incredibles.

SeannyD:

Jog my memory: Was that C4 from Keamy or was there C4 already planted for Michael to detonate? "Meet Kevin Johnson" was so long ago that it's difficult to recall that sequence of events.

Also, I enjoy how they addressed Michael's journey back to the mainland. Just a simple cargo journey back to the states.

Chaddogg:

@Tom Shaw - your recaps/theories always blow my mind. Great work, as always.

A couple thoughts:

- Do we really know how "big" Mr. Paik's company is? If Sun got a settlement from Oceanic 6, figure conservatively it'd be in the 8-figure range (in law school, they used to say that dead people in an accident always get less than people that survive but are hurt/disfigured....figure the same thing applies here, where the Oceanic 6 would get bigger settlements than the "dead" 815er's heirs because they survived and had to endure 108 days of survival before rescue, making the total settlement for the whole plane crash fiasco in the hundreds of millions). If Sun had $20 million, or $50 million, is that really not enough to buy a "controlling" share of the company? Maybe along with another investment group - say, Ben Linus Industries? Or Hurley Enterprises? I'm just saying that we have no clue what Mr. Paik's company is worth, or the economics of the deal by which Sun got a controlling share....so she could have done it with the settlement money.

- Jack and Sawyer together are just awesome.

- I don't buy Sayid allowing Daniel to take the boat back to the freighter - to me, he'd trust that task to Jin, or anyone else he knew on the island and trusted. And I certainly don't get them letting Daniel be the person to RETURN to the island to pick up another load of passengers.

- Who was Ben signalling? Was it Alpert and the Others? If so, was Richard coming upon Sayid and Kate a mere coincidence, as the Others were on their way to take down Keamy's team at the Orchid? That would seem to make sense - a giant battle at the Orchid station that somehow results in Jack/Kate/Sayid/Hurley surviving or running away, with Sun/Aaron getting off the freighter before Keamy dies and the boat blows up (presumably due to the device on his arm?)?

- Is that why Sun thinks Jin is dead? Because he was on the freighter when it blew up? I still don't think he really died....and her "thinking" he died (but him actually surviving) would be pretty dramatic and awesome - especially if it became the impetus for her uniting with Jack to get back to the island.

thearchduke:

Regarding Sun: a person or group doesn't have to own 50.1 percent of stock to have "controlling" interest in a public corporation. Depending on stock ownership distribution and the types of stock bought (some stocks carry overweighted voting privileges), less than 10 percent can get you seats on the board and a lot of say in the company that would equate to controlling. And if Paik's stock was in the toilet, Sun could make out like a bandit.
Also, Mr. Paik was talking to his underling right when Sun walked in about not tracing info because different banks were used. Sun could also have used other financing, with her settlement as collateral.

Matt:

Something I just thought of -- they still haven't revealed the two "survivors" who died on the island, have they? I hope we find out in 13 days (such a long time!)

Matt:

Also, and I may just be remembering this totally wrong - at the press conference, did Kate say she had Aaron 5 weeks before? But he was born all the way back in season 1! Maybe the didn't follow the bearing off the island?

carlos_the_dwarf:

Chad i agree with you about the size of Paik Industries. When i heard that it was just like, "oh ok so they're not as big as i thought."
and i Sayid looked to Juliet before allowing Dan to run the boat. I think they've basically decided that Dan isn't a bad guy since he tends to spill the beans and just generally not be very sneaky. I'm sure they'd've never let Charlotte ferry people.
I have to disagree with those complimenting tonights score. This was the 1st time in a while that the music even came to my attention, and when it comes to scores thats a bad thing (sort of like offensive lineman, if you notice them during a game they were doing something wrong). At one point (i think when Dan was in the Zode, but it could've been Sayid at the beginning) it sounded like they'd cued up some old Hawaii 5-0 theme music.
I also think Sun is the other person Sun blames for Jin death.
@antillies i would be willing to guess that even Dan doesn't know how alot of that information got into his note book. It is worth noting tho that Widmore and Keamy both knew about the Orchid and it wouldn't be unreasonable to think they may have shared some info with the teams resident physicist.
I think my favorite scene (not involving Ben, Locke, and Hurley that is) was the Others leading Sayid and Kate though the jungle, shot from just up above, looked just awsome in HD, very cool scene.

Ashley:

Quick Thoughts:

1. I think the reason that the Island consists of two Islands is because someone previously used "The Orchid" and it misfired. Possibly in the "Missing Pieces" Rabbits session.

2. I think that Keamy won't die in this season, but will probably be rendered inert and we'll get some of his backstory in Season 5. In fact, I think he probably ends up off the Island through some kind of temporal switch with Ben and Locke, thereby uniting Team Widmore, Team Ben and Team Lostie. And then they'll all whip out swords and we'll relive the beach-swordfight scene from Pirates of the Carribean three with Smokey fainting in the background...

3. I love Sayid, but he deffinitely gets around with the Ladies. Less than 100 days ago his girlfriend died in his arms and now he's back together with his long-lost love? Smooth, Sayid. Smooth.

4. Daniel has faked me out well. I always thought that Shifty Charlotte was the brains behind the freighter four, but I have been proven wrong. I bet Daniel knows the exact location of all the Dharma stations as well as their uses and their protocols. I thought that in the episode where Desmond went back and saw him at Cambridge, there was a little character funkiness between on-island Daniel and off-island Daniel. I chalked it up at the time to getting used to writing for a new character. Now I'm thinking that it was intentional and that Daniel, is, in fact a more callous and sneaky little guy than we ever would have imagined...

5. More Alpert is always a good thing. Almost as good as more Desmond, but not quite


@ Tom: My mind is well and truly blown.

@ Emilia: Never! Trust! Ben!

James Poniewozik:

By the way, can't believe I didn't think to bring this up but: if Paik Industries is somehow connected to Widmore (and how can it not be, right?), then Sun's hostile takeover is important for a lot more than family drama.

carlos_the_dwarf:

@ashley I hope you're right about Keamy. It kind of seems like a Ben situation to me, small character but the actor is awesome so why not expand his part.
So James are you saying that (a)Widmore is going to come after Sun, (b)that Sun is now in cahoots with Widmore, or (c)that Sun is going to try to find out as much as she can about Widmore in an attempt to get revenge/back to the island? I gotta think that C is out for sure because why would Sun even know about the connection unless it were though B?

Tom Shaw:

"Also, and I may just be remembering this totally wrong - at the press conference, did Kate say she had Aaron 5 weeks before?"

You're right, she did say Aaron was only 5 weeks old. But according to Lostpedia's timeline, Aaron was born way back on day 41 - so even assuming they get back to America already on day 109/110, Aaron's nearly 10 weeks old by then. I'm not that familiar with kids, but over a month and a half of age difference (especially when they think Aaron should be small and malnourished) should be noticeable.

Another sign that their cover story is flimsy and that it wasn't thought out much ahead of time?

And I don't know if the 2 out 8 that died on the Island necessarily means they have two corpses to dispose of. They probably just thought it was likely that not everyone would survive living in the wild for 3 months.

Mike:

@thearchduke - great point, I hadn't thought of that but you're right. You don't have to have 50% to have a "controlling" interest in the company, theoretically as long as she's the largest shareholder she'd have significant control. Also interesting note, the guy giving the news to Mr. Paik said that someone used five different banks to accomplish the feat...hmmm five different banks, five different survivors of 815 with big cash settlements...maybe Sun pooled their money as part of some master plan?

also regarding Matt's point about them not revealing who the 2 other people are who survived the crash. Now that we know that the story is that Kate gave birth on the island, shouldn't there be 3 other people who survived the crash since only 5 of the O6 were alive for the crash? As for who they are, we know at least that Claire and Jin are not in that category, so who is, Sawyer? Charlie? Scott? Steve? Scott/Steve?

James Poniewozik:

@Carlos: Right now I'm thinking more (d) that having taken over Paik, Sun will have access to resources/info/leverage that will come in handy once they go BAAAAAAAAACK! to the Island. Or she will learn something that will convince her/Jack that they need to go back. Unless we're missing something, I doubt she took over the company with the *intent* of getting something on Widmore. But it's possible that--just a for instance--she could learn something of Widmore's dealings concerning the Island now that she's privy to the inner workings of Paik.

It's all just a guess, but it seems right somehow that in the world of Lost one evil businessman would have had some manner of dealings with the other evil businessman.

Tom Shaw:

@James:
Err, yes, I've long been assuming that Sun would take over Paik, because logistically it's the only way of getting the audience access to the high-level workings on the Hanso corporation.

I just thought doing so would be a bit bloodier, like Jin killing Mr. Paik in revenge for assigning him to be on that plane.

Chaddogg:

@Mike and thearchduke - WOW. HUGE point that we're missing here, that you both brought up tangentially...

We have NO IDEA how far in the future Sun's flash-forward was last night!

With Jack's, and Hurley's, we have a rough idea....but NO clue on Sun's.

Why is this significant?

Because maybe all 5 survivors DID pool their money together to buy Paik Industries (Kate would have control of Aaron's settlement money as his "mother"), because Paik maybe has something to do with Flight 815!

In fact, Sun's flashforward could be the FURTHEST we've seen so far -- even after the Season 3 finale. I mean, it's after the birth of her baby, right? (I think Paik asks about his grandchild). It's possible we just saw the what happens when Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, and Sun join together to find the island -- their joint strategy is to pool their resources, buy Paik, and start working away at the one man (Widmore?) who is keeping the island a secret.

Wow...that's huge.....

Matt:

@ Chaddogg - I'm fairly certain Sun was pregnant in that flashback. Granted, it could have been another child, but I interpreted her dad's concern about the grandchild to mean the fetus.

Chaddogg:

@Matt - it appears you are right. I guess she referred to "once I have my baby" (according to Lostpedia)....nevermind.

antilles:

@Chaddog - also, I think Sun mentioned something about just receiving the cash settlement, which shouldn't have been too long after they got back.

Mike:

@Chaddogg - I had the same thought as you until I remembered that he did ask about her pregnancy i think. Your point could still apply, there's no reason they couldn't have pooled the money right away as a sort of insurance policy. Maybe they knew that having control of Paik might come in useful for keeping an eye on Widmore/the Island...

Karma:

My friend says that she looked noticeably pregnant when she was talking to her father. I don't recall getting that impression but I'm notoriously oblivious to things like that.

Karma:

Oh yeah, she did say that "when she has her baby" and then they'll decide what they'll do with "our" company.

Interestingly enough though the guys who were in the office beforehand did mention 5 different bank accounts so it's conceivable that hte 5 did pool their resources.

antilles:

If they all pooled their money right away, how is Kate living in that nice big house in LA with an (apparently) full-time nanny? Sayid out playing golf on some uber-private course he specifically mentioned cost a crapload of money? (And he referenced the Oceanic settlement then, but of course, his club membership could have been financed by Ben.)

I don't know, I tend to believe Sun was acting on her own here. Or at most, she had some Hurly backing, since he came out to visit Sun and her new baby. Where he made the "good" comment about the other O6-ers not being there...

antilles:

And while we all believe Paik has some connection with Widmore, there is, at this point, no evidence the 815ers knew that before the O6 got of the island. So the others really wouldn't have a reason to pool their money to purchase Paik. But I guess a lot can happen in the next 7-odd days on the island and on the freighter.

pekaba:

About Sun taking controling interest in Paik...
1) back on the freighter, weren't we led to expect that Pennelope is on her way there?
2) what if she arrives and desmond gets her to leave with Sun until the C4 is disarmed.
3) what if Pen. and Sun exit then come to believe Des and Sun are both dead.
4) perhaps Pennelope is who helped fund the takeover of Paik.

pekaba:

Pennelope is coming by boat...
So what if she is standing off on her ship, awaiting the disarming...
Meanwhile the helicopter takes off with the other 815s...
Ben/Locke/Richard moves the island...
Freighter blows up.
Helicopter stranded, has to ditch.
Penny picks up the other 5 and they agree to hide her involvement in the rescue.

Gerry Author Profile Page:

I have nothing to add, except to note that Sawyer called Miles "Ghengis." That was funny.

s_t_g_r:

@antilles - I also dont think that Sun is acting together with the other survivors. From all the flash-forwards we have had, I've been left with the impression that Jack doesnt want to go back to the island. And Kate is into this whole full-time mom, she's got Jack and she's clear of any legal troubles, so why would she want to go back?
And Sayid seems to be OK playing hitman for Ben. At least for now.
Maybe it's just Hurley and Sun (and Jin's share of the settlement)...put in Hurley's 150 million and we could be looking at a few hundred million here, which is a considerable amount.
I think Paik has something to do with what is going on, allbeit a smaller part than Widmore. Fishing around the Indian Ocean (assuming the map at the press-conference is marginally correct) from an office in London might raise quite a few eyebrows. But doing it off a Korean subsidiary might not be all that suspicious.

JRVJ:

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned how Jack's line to Kate (when they were about to split-up) about Aaron not even being related to her takes a special poignancy now that he's found out that Aaron is his nephew....

What does remain to be seen is if Jack at any point mentioned this to Kate (there was a line in the Kate episode, when she is coming out of the court room and runs into Jack where she says something along the lines of Jack not agreeing with what she did. Obviously we'll see what she did in the finale - plus what promised she may have made to Sawyer - but that line of Kate's could have an extra layer of meaning....).

antilles:

@JRVJ - that was mentioned by several people after Jack's last FF (wondering if Jack had found out about Claire by the time he said that line to Kate). I wasn't sure from last night's episode if Kate overheard Claire's mom tell Jack the story or not. It looked like she did, but they weren't very definitive about it? Anyone else get an impression?

Emilia:

All right, all right, so maybe my fierce love for Ben's /character/ has overtaken my common sense...

@antilles: I don't think Kate heard them. She seemed happily oblivious when Jack walked over to her - and somehow I can't imagine her hearing something that shocking, that relevant, and not reacting. That would make for a rather lame reveal, anyway: "How did you know?!" "Oh, I just eavesdropped at your dad's wake, duh. Keep your voice down next time."

Mike:

@actually I thought she did overhear everything, I didn't get the happily oblivious thing, maybe I need to watch it again. I thought she kind of stared back at him in shock...time to rewind the DVR tonight

thearchduke:

@James, Chaddogg, Mike -
I think it's definitely significant that Sun is getting involved with her Dad's company, since corporations have been almost like separate characters (Dharma, Mittelos, Widmore) in Lost. From previous seasons we know that Paik is involved in some shaddy dealings (i.e. having people beat up by Jin). It wouldn't be a stretch that Paik is also associated with Widmore or Ben.

Also, you know in the Lostverse there are entire websites devoted to uncovering the conspiracy of the Oceanic 6. With timelines regarding Kate's pregnancy and Hurley's weight. They're crazy I tell ya, crazy! :)

barryinstockholm:

Sun hold dad partly responsible.

The other person is perhaps Widmore.
This is foreshadowed by Charlotte speaking Korean!

Can't wait for the two-hour finale.

arthistory:

I was just wondering, where does Sawyer fit into the post-rescue future? Didn't Kate talk to and go see Sawyer in the FF of Jack and Kate's happy/not so happy domestic life? If he's within driving distance how did he get off the island and how come he is not one of the officially rescued?

kruger23:

A couple of points:

1. Sun's takeover could have been aided by Mittelos. There is no way she would know who they were, and how they were related to Ben and Richard. Juliet could have told her as a way to gain revenge for Jin's "Death" or maybe and more probably Ben exploited her grief just like he did to Sayid. (Isn't everything seem to be related to Ben's unknown grand plan of revenge against Widmore for Alex?)

2. I seem to agree with many who feel the freighter blows up when Keamy decides it or dies.

3. The coffin: Who is in it should be revealed soon. It does not seem to be any of the O6, so who could it be? Desmond, since he is on the freighter? Ben, Richard since they obviously can get off and on the island at will? Maybe one of the freighter four? Widmore? Maybe even Michael since he did go back to the states and not let anyone know who he is. Just a few thoughts

NateGo:

Why would Keamy's men agree to a plan where they are stranded on the island if Keamy dies... it seems weird to think the freighter would explode if he dies.

Brasscap:

@arthistory, I believe Kate went to 'do something for' Sawyer, which doesn't mean that he made it off the island. At least that's how I saw it, it was left pretty open ended.

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