July 4, 2008 8:01
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Our Troops Need You
I'm taking a week off, maybe two, so I probably won't be blogging much. Unless, of course...
Have a terrific 4th of July weekend.
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Reader Comments (41)
Good column Joe.
Enjoy your vacation.
Posted by Terrapinion | July 4, 2008 8:21 AM
Will do, Joe. Enjoy the time off.
Posted by bitterpill8 | July 4, 2008 8:25 AM
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Posted by James, Los Angeles | July 4, 2008 9:10 AM
Joe,
Have a good 4th and thanks for your post in support of the troops.
I would also like to remind everyone that when you think of the troops, please do not forget their families. Whether or not you support the war or not their sacrifice is also real. Below are links to agenices that provide assistance to military families in their time of need for everything from child care to unforseen emergenices:
Army Emergency Relief
http://www.aerhq.org/
Navy-Marine Corps Relief Society
http://www.nmcrs.org/intfreeloan.html
Air Force Aid Society
http://www.afas.org/index.cfm
Coast Guard Mutual Assistance
http://www.cgmahq.org/
Posted by GySgt213 | July 4, 2008 9:14 AM
Nice column. I'll take a look at that website.
Enjoy your time off, Joe.
Posted by J.J.
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July 4, 2008 9:20 AM
Good column Joe (can't help taking exception to "Part of the responsibility for the disconnect lies with President George W. Bush, who never asked us to sacrifice for the war effort." - how about the major part). I'd also be surprised if it's only 20% of returning vets with PTSD. But I applaud these efforts on the part of the Mets owner. There is a tremendous good will among American sports fans, and this is as good a way as any to harness it.
The Pan-Mass Challenge, a bike ride in Massachusetts and sponsored in part by the Red Sox, has raised $200 million for Cancer Research through the Jimmy Fund and Dana-Farber. $100 million throughout the country should be a piece of cake.
http://www.pmc.org/About.asp
Posted by KathyR | July 4, 2008 9:20 AM
A good place to put some of the funds I've been withholding from Obama while he twists in the FISA wind.
I have a question for Joe. Do you think that some of the prevalence of PTSD is due to the lack of clarity over the Iraq mission in the first place. We're supposed to be helping the Iraqi people but the 'enemy' is also a subset of the Iraqi people. The only way to identify hostiles is after they've opened fire.
Certainly the lack of clear achievable objectives has to contribute to the stress that would accompany being in any combat area anyway.
I, of course am only speculating from a comfortable armchair, but I am interested in your opinion.
Posted by Paul Dirks
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July 4, 2008 9:44 AM
Enjoy the time off, Joe.
Could you take the rest of the media with you? Their general insanity this week shows they could really use a vacation. Maybe at a mental health facility.
Posted by Otto Man | July 4, 2008 9:47 AM
That was a good column, Joe, no doubt about it.
I don't understand though, you'll take two weeks off unless.... what? What would stop you from doing that?
Posted by Red Snapper | July 4, 2008 9:52 AM
Joe Klein dutifully quotes Paul Rieckhoff alleging (with no evidence, of course) that "[t]he suicide rates for returning vets are just off the charts." Go back and look at John Kerry's thoroughly discredited smears about American veterans of Vietnam. Before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971, Kerry made the same suicide claims about Vietnam veterans.
Rieckhoff's bogus smears are as bad as Kerry's concerning the anti-America "Winter Soldiers [so-called] Investigation": "Several months ago, in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Thank God for the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth who exposed Kerry's smears while Kerry's dupes in the Washington press corps huffed and puffed that their poor boy was being exposed.
Posted by texte | July 4, 2008 9:56 AM
Here's an incredibly touching story about a hero (Doc Dywer) for whom are help is too late.
Who is Doc Dwyer and what did he do?
Posted by Beth in VA | July 4, 2008 9:58 AM
Well, I was ready to be sarcastic, but then I read the piece.
These people have been so screwed, especially the ones who signed up for a weekend a month, plus two weeks training and the ones who found out that their hitch really didn't have an end date, that anything we can do, we should. It's deeply disturbing that this requires private initiatives.
Posted by jayackroyd
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July 4, 2008 10:23 AM
Memo to Joe Klein and Paul Reickhoff: The suicide rate for returning Iraq and Afghanistan veterans is BELOW the suicide rate for American civilians of the same age. So much for the smear from Klein and Reickhoff that the "suicide rates for returning vets is off the charts."
If Joe Klein, Paul Reickhoff, John Kerry, the New York Times and other leftists want to "give back" to American veterans, the first thing they should do is stop smearing American veterans as deranged, suicidal, homeless, crack addled, wandering criminals and losers. By the way, American service members are not the little children of the Democrat party in "need" of the Democrat party's socialism.
Posted by texte | July 4, 2008 10:30 AM
"By the way, American service members are not the little children of the Democrat party in "need" of the Democrat party's socialism."
Yeah! Dying alone and afraid is AWESOME!
Posted by Enceladus | July 4, 2008 10:55 AM
Joe is promoting an effort to help returning veterans and texte has nothing but bile to contribute.
Why does texte hate our soldiers?
Posted by Paul Dirks
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July 4, 2008 10:55 AM
"need" of the Democrat party's socialism
Nothing says "socialism" like the McCormick Foundation...
What an ignorant tool.....
www.mccormickfoundation.org
Posted by Paul Dirks
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July 4, 2008 11:03 AM
http://www.mccormickfoundation.org/museumsparks/cantignyfirstdivision.aspx
Posted by Paul Dirks
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July 4, 2008 11:04 AM
Yeah, people employed by the state don't really count as "socialism" if they have guns. IF they have stethoscopes, yes, but guns, no.
Posted by jayackroyd
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July 4, 2008 11:09 AM
texte,
Our troops get more than enough denial from our government that their issues and problems are real. Be part of the solution and not the problem. It may cost you a tiny bit more in tax or donation dollars. But in my opinion our troops and their families are worth it.
Posted by GySgt213 | July 4, 2008 11:20 AM
You LIBNORAMUSES just don't get it. Supporting our troops means putting a bumper sticker on your SUV, and demanding that they stay in Iraq. Things like "medical care" and "counseling" or "helping them adjust to civilian life" is just part of the COMMUNAZI AGENDA. The troops should only be supported if it's convenient for me.
Posted by Meursault | July 4, 2008 11:38 AM
Joe, wondeful column. Have a wonderful time off but don't forget us if something big happens. I'm sure Mrs Swamp will understand if you blog a line or two then.
texte, I'm sure you honestly think you're "defending" the troops, but you're part of the problem, an example of the kind of thinking that makes people, especially men in jobs where they are supposed to be extra "tough" and "strong" hesitant about admitting to emotional difficulties.
Posted by Southern Bell | July 4, 2008 12:01 PM
It's the "unless of course" that worries me...
Have a GREAT Fourth of July!
BTW, today is a good day for Jesse Helms to go. Hope his ride to hell is a LOOOOONG one!
Our nation does not need another Fourth of July with him...
Posted by 53_3 | July 4, 2008 12:17 PM
Posted by jayackroyd | July 4, 2008 10:23 AM
I find the fact that this has to be done by private initiative as sickening as the fact that breast cancer research has to be funded through private initiatives, and pink ribbon postage stamps that you pay extra for.
I am disgusted that nobody in power seemed to think that there would be any lasting physical of psychological ramifications of starting a war.
I am disgusted that once they realized there would be, they lied, cheated and stole from taxpayers to do the least possible amount to help our soldiers as possible.
Our soldiers are supposed to be fighting to uphold our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution, and they have died so that greedy immoral people in power could shred it in an attempt to maintain the greed and power they had acquired.
And last, but far from least, I am disgusted and disappointed by the lazy and greedy media who have utterly failed the American public in every way possible when reporting about the war. See any dead soldiers on teevee? Dead Iraqi children? Coffins coming back from the war? Do we have any sense whatsoever of what the war is really like in Iraq?
People have to be informed there actually IS a problem for them to be involved, and while Joe Klein is far, far, far from the only one who is guilty of this, his use of the passive voice and his asterisk of blame delicately laid somewhere around the area of the Bush Administration for Americans not getting the truthful information about the wars, is a complete failure of American Journalism. That failure to take risks in your works, risks that might have lead to getting fired, or less access to Important Anonymous High Ranking Official is one of the things directly responsible for the death of thousands of people.
Gosh, people are somehow so removed from the war. How has this happened, queries the media? Gee, I don't know, Joe, et al. Who decided what gets covered and what doesn't? Who decides that their coveted seat in the Press Room is more important than the truth.
Charlie Gibson (and I'll paraphrase a little here, but only a little) recently and shockingly said of the role of journalists, "It's not our job to speak truth to power." Your job is to get truth from power, and yes, to speak truth to power when power is feeding you a line of crap. It is every reporter's job to stand in the shoes of the American public, and in doing so, ask the questions to which we, as citizens, have the right to have answered truthfully. And to keep pushing until you do. And to point out when the administration doesn't answer your questions or refused to provide independently verifiable facts for what they assert.
And it would be nice if, for once, I got the sense that those vaunted members of American Journalism valued the whole Constitution as much as they value the First Amendment.
It was a nice piece, Joe, but how much time has been spent focusing on made up crap issues, such as flag pins, McCain ranch barbecues, plagiarized cookie recipes, Reverend Wright and other related horsesh*t, people are still dying by the carbomb loads in Iraq, and it was the worst month in Afghanistan since the beginning of the war.
Maybe you need a couple of weeks off to focus on what's really important in electing a President. Here's a hint: It's not cookie recipes and angry preachers.
From JMM: For the McCain campaign to put out a memo to reporters claiming that Obama has adopted McCain's policy only shows that his advisors believe that a sizable percentage of the political press is made up of incorrigible morons. And it's hard to disagree with the judgment.
Word.
Posted by Casey Morris | July 4, 2008 12:46 PM
"I'm taking a week off, maybe two, ..."
Truly, this is the best way you can celebrate the holiday and serve the nation. Be a true patriot and make it three...
Posted by Steve in Sacto
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July 4, 2008 1:14 PM
Bringing the War Back Home (the Archives of Internal Medicine)
Posted by bobcn | July 4, 2008 1:15 PM
Tell us Casey, how do you really feel?
Just kidding. I'm tearing my hair out over here also.
Posted by Red Snapper | July 4, 2008 1:16 PM
Reposting due to it's pinpoint accuracy,and I'm guessing not for the last time:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/202750.php
Now, time to crush beer cans on my forehead, demand more wars and not enlist. Happy 4th!
Posted by Cincinnatus | July 4, 2008 1:38 PM
Cincy:
My continuing concern is that McCain's advisors may well be right. Many journalists also appear not to grasp the distinction between sh*t and Shinola.
Posted by FlownOver | July 4, 2008 4:56 PM
Many journalists also appear not to grasp the distinction between sh*t and Shinola.
They also appear to have trouble grasping the distinction between Shiite and Shinola.
Posted by Casey Morris | July 4, 2008 5:15 PM
> My continuing concern is that McCain's advisors may well be right. Many journalists also appear not to grasp the distinction between sh*t and Shinola.
Doesn't matter, FlownOver. As Bush so aptly demonstrated, it's all style over substance. Perception means more than reality, and the Repugs are given free license to spin that sh.t any way they want, if it helps improve how they're perceived. Granting that license is the MSM's biggest culpability.
Posted by Mr. Nice Guy | July 4, 2008 5:17 PM
Not exactly on topic:
http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/04/162209
If that's the case - where selling your vote is a punishable act - why haven't we arrested those Congressmen who sold their FISA vote to the telecoms?
Posted by Mr. Nice Guy | July 4, 2008 5:28 PM
Posted by Red Snapper | July 4, 2008 1:16 PM
You know what got me going?
I was reading the Declaration of Independence to my young son and asking him what he thought the different ideas meant.
Then I read Joe's "Six Years Later We Should Really Think About Doing Something For Our Soldiers (but it's in now way Joe Klein's responsibility to have mentioned or done anything tangible before now)" piece.
Help the soldiers...Oh, ya think?
Joe's sense of responsibility here was signalled to us at the star, "Our Troops Need YOU". Really? Our troops don't need ALL OF US?
Go enjoy your holiday, Joe. Maybe you can find time to drop into Walter Reed and ask the troops how they would like to see the media report the story, and what they think the most under reported story in Iraq is right now.
Oh, and while your vacationing, Joe, you might want to pass the time thinking about this underreported story in the other forgotten war:
WASHINGTON) — The Pentagon has extended the tour of 2,200 Marines in Afghanistan, after insisting for months the unit would come home on time.
The 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit, which is doing combat operations in the volatile south, will stay an extra 30 days and come home in early November rather than October, Marine Col. David Lapan confirmed Thursday.
Military leaders as recently as Wednesday stressed the need for additional troops in Afghanistan. Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has often praised the work of the 24th MEU in fighting Taliban militants in Helmand Province.
Yes, have a super nice vacation, Joe.
Posted by Casey Morris | July 4, 2008 5:35 PM
Casey--keep up the outrage! I hear you clucking all the way from expat land. Here's Fyodor on the merits of charity (starting with the hi-lited text):
http://books.google.com/books?id=NhG_yhfr6ZgC&pg=PA343&lpg=PA343&dq=%22the+enjoyment+you+get+from+charity&source=web&ots=gub6QK6GaO&sig=ru1e8h198Q33O6HKZ4ycEdXmp6w&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
So, our (actually, not mine anymore) tax dollars should be funnelled to Halliburton and other war profiteers and assorted mercenary scum and we should give what little income we have left to charity b/c the gov't fails to take care of their own and particularly those least fortunate/most abused by said gov't!?
Joe, you're an unmitigated f-cking tool. Instead of shining your meager rhetorical beacon on oceans of hypocrisy and "evil," our esteemed leaders destroying thousands of lives and minds, instead of this, what should be your sacred mission, instead you call for sacrifice, and, oh yes, after you helped ease the path to Baghdad too.
Did the check ease your guilt you sickening ball of snot?
How's that Red Snapper--straight talk express clear across the Pacific.
And, yes, I'm thrilled about Obama's FISA move, his late-term abortion chats with Christian pukes and general pivot to the do-nothing, sell your f'ing soul to the center of the beast. Perhaps he can try to peel Joe Lieb away from Mac--give me unity or just shoot me in the freaking skullcap. Time for my cup of sake!
Posted by Oregon JC | July 4, 2008 7:02 PM
'The connection is Charlie'
From the right, Reagan biographer Craig Shirley remembers Helms as the man who made the Reagan revolution possible:
"If Helms accomplished nothing else in his life, he is the man most responsible for the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. Had Helms not engineered Reagan's stunning upset win in the North Carolina primary in 1976, Reagan would have dropped out and faded into oblivion. Reagan staged a furious comeback as a result, losing the nomination to Gerald Ford by only a handful of delegate votes. As a result, Reagan became the frontrunner for the 1980 nomination. None of this would have been possible without Helms. One man simply decided to changes history."
And from the other side of the aisle, here's a nice bit of quickly Neixised oppo. from the proverbial sources-who-have-requested-to-remain-nameless recalling McCain chief strategist’s Charlie Black’s work for Helms, and tying him to some of the former Senator’s more racially charged, to put it nicely, campaign tactics. Here’s the full memo, which was sent our way with the remark, “The connection is Charlie.”
1984: Black Advised Helms On Senate Re-Election Bid And Bragged About Victory. The Washington Post reported, “‘It’s a tremendous victory for conservatives,’ Helms’ strategist Charles Black said. ‘It enhances his clout and influence in the Senate in the eyes of the press and his colleagues. He’ll be even more effective than he has been.’” [Washington Post, 11/8/84, emphasis added]
Black And Helms Used “Racist Appeals” To Win. Politics reporter Bill Peterson wrote in the Washington Post, “Lesson: A vicious new electronic form of negative politics has evolved and matured. And it is frightening. It is a politics of distortion, half truths and character assassination. Ends are used to justify means. Truth often takes a back seat. … Helms and the National Congressional Club, a political action committee run by his allies, had used negative advertising long before the Senate race began. … Racial epithets and standing in school doors is no longer fashionable, but 1984 proved that the ugly politics of race are alive and well. Helms is their master. A case in point was the pivotal event of the campaign: Helms’ filibuster against a bill making the birthday of the late Martin Luther King Jr. a national holiday. … Helms campaign literature sounded a drumbeat of warnings about black voter-registration drives. His campaign newspaper featured photographs of Hunt [his opponent] with Jesse L. Jackson and headlines like ‘Black Voter Registration Rises Sharply’ and ‘Hunt Urges More Minority Registration.’ Helms shamelessly mined the race issue.” [Peterson, Washington Post, 11/18/84, emphasis added]
1990: Black Advised Jesse Helms. As He Ran Controversial “Hands” Ad Against Black Candidate. Newsday reported that Helms, “through a series of blistering advertisements unleashed just days before, had beckoned the long-simmering issue of race to the surface of this senatorial contest. In doing so, Helms had hurled the campaign into its most bitter and acrimonious phase to date, namely by labeling his opponent, falsely, an advocate of racial job quotas and accusing him of conducting a ‘secret campaign’ in the black community. … On the television commercial, the camera zones in on a white man’s hands, crumpling what apparently is a job rejection letter. The announcer then intones: ‘You needed that job and you were the best qualified. But they had to give it to a minority because of a racial quota. Is that really fair? Harvey Gantt says it is,’ the message continues. ‘Gantt supports Ted Kennedy’s racial quota law that makes the color of your skin more important than your qualifications.’” Black, an adviser to the campaign and a consultant for the Congressional Club – Helms’s political machine – insisted the race would come down to turnout: “‘What it’s going to come down to is turnout,’ said Charles Black, chairman of the Republican National Committee and a Helms adviser. ‘It’s, no question, the biggest challenge at this point.’” [Newsday, 11/4/90]
Black Defended “Hands Ad.” Black defended Helms’s “Hands” television ad, which featured white hands crumpling a job rejection letter and linking Helms’s black opponent to racial job quotas. Asked about the ad on the MacNeil/Lehrer Newshour, Black said, “Well there is nothing racial about the campaign.” When asked if there was anything improper about the ad, Black said, “Of course not.” Another guest on the show, DNC Chairman Ron Brown, pressed Black again, saying, “You are a principal adviser of Jesse Helms. Would you advise him to run that kind of ad, Charlie? Do you approve of that ad, Charlie?” Black responded, “I advised Jesse Helms to do what he’s always done.” [MacNeil/Lehrer Newshour, 11/5/90]
– Harry Siegel
Posted by Stan | July 4, 2008 10:18 PM
Stan, I don't disagree with your posts, and find them interesting when I have time to read it all, but mostly they are so long, overwhelming.
As for Helms, to me he is the Christian Osama bin Laden. I will say the same for him as I would bin Laden. May he meet his maker, may she be Black communist lesbian, and may she cast him to burn in hell for eternity.
Posted by james | July 4, 2008 11:44 PM
Iraq Vet in Famous Press Photo Dies from Overdose
PINEHURST, N.C. A former Army medic made famous by a photograph that showed him carrying an injured Iraqi boy during the first week of the war has died of an apparent overdose, police said.
Joseph Patrick Dwyer died last week at a hospital in Pinehurst, according to the Boles Funeral Home. He was 31.
The photograph, taken in March 2003, showed Dwyer running to a makeshift military hospital while cradling the boy. The photo appeared in newspapers, magazines and television broadcasts worldwide, making Dwyer became a symbol of heroism.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003824518
Posted by GySgt213 | July 5, 2008 12:34 PM
Casey, my thoughts exactly! The troops should be receiving all the care they need, paid for by OUR TAX DOLLARS, not charity!
Posted by Pobo | July 7, 2008 9:59 AM
Yeah, well, tax dollars aren't paying for it. But hey, at least you got a chance to piss all over an alternative just so you can up your internet crusader cred. Keep fighting the power, Oregon JC and all the other members of the Tube Justice League, because helping prevent some deaths is clearly trumped by the menace of Joe Klein.
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