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I don't have much of a problem with this.

But I'm going to have a HUGE problem with the PUMAs and Harriet Christians of the world now. How exactly they'll manage to spin the fact Obama is still somehow "being mean" to Hillary despite agreeing to pay $10 million back to her that she misspent, is going to be trying.

Maybe they won't. Maybe for once they'll just say thank you, Senator Obama has done the chivalrous and generous (if not necessarily right) thing. My guess is: they still eviscerate him for no reason whatsoever. Other than running against Hillary. And all of this will be while he helps her find $10 million he could desperately use himself. Sigh.

Do I have the wrong troll? Didn't QH sound like a (more or less) sane human immediately after Russert's death? Or am I thinking of a different troll?

Actually, I think QH took his medicine today. And Hillary, the check is in the mail.

Chris Dodd was magnificent on the floor of the Senate today (on C-Span) debating the telecom amnesty provision of the new FISA abortion.

I look forward to hearing Barack Obama's filibuster.

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/flash/player-time.html?start=2008-06-24%2020:13:15&stop=2008-06-24%2022:17:43&net=2

Chris Dodd senate floor speech starts about ten minutes into video. I agree magnificent

Maybe Sen Dodd could send in some of his Country-wide money to help with the "Save Hillary" campaign. Dodd should be able to spare a few bucks!!!!

Be a good Senator, Mr Dodd. Since you bilked millions out of the most recent mortgage loan debacle through Country-wide, you should at minimum, send Hillary some of the loot to bail her out of her "crisis" of campaign financial losses.

Since you bilked millions out of the most recent mortgage loan debacle through Country-wide, you should at minimum...

Rustydogy/imbecile:

That's a lie.

Dodd got a favorable loan rate given to "VIP" customers of Countrywide, that's it.

It's wrong, he shouldn't have taken it, and he shouldn't have taken $70k in contributions from Bank of America over the last year-and-a-half, either. Given these gifts by Countrywide, he definitely shouldn't be introducing legislation to bail out Countrywide in terms favorable to BoA purchasing it at a minimum of expense to BoA. All of that is just as wrong as John McCain's campaign being run by a telecom lobbyist whose clients contributed to McCain at the very same time that he's voting their way on telecom amnesty, and Chris Dodd should be called on it, and censured for it. This practice must stop.

But to claim that Chris Dodd "bilked millions out of the most recent mortgage loan debacle through Country-wide", as if he somehow were ripping off the people whose properties were foreclosed, would be a damn lie, typical of the corrupt (and now desperate) Republican machine and their cretinous supporters, Rustydog.

Am I clear enough for you?
That's a lie, and you are a liar, sir.

"I look forward to hearing Barack Obama's filibuster."

I have called and emailed Obama's campaign several times. For some reason they won't let me talk directly to him, but each time I have made it clear that his current stance is on the wrong side of this issue and he needs to stand with those Senators who are actually doing some thing to stop this bill. I just hope others are doing the same.

Actually, I think I would rather pay HRC's personal debt than that owed to Mark Penn. Is there any way we can find out exactly which vendors are owed, and how much?

"That's a lie, and you are a liar, sir."

Wow, somebody's a bit touchy about his favorite candidate.

JNS - I am a harsh critic, but kudos for writing a factual post. Thanks.

Here is to hoping Mark Penn pulls a Dick Morris.

Malcolm,
All of the numbers on Hilary's debt are old -- we know she loaned her campaign at least $11.4 million but her vendor debts are estimated to be between $10 million to $20 million. We'll know more when the FEC releases their last quarter reports which I believe is at the end of the month or early next month. JNS

Didn't the Clinton's tax records show they made $109 million? Why do Obama supporters have to rescue Hillary? Like anyone else, she should have to pay her own bills. I think there are many of us who want to look forward and help elect Senator Obama in the fall, not aid in the finacial woes of the moth-eaten Clintons.

rainbow 68: be practical. If you don't want to contribute, don't. The $109m is such a misleading issue. All campaigns get into debt and some take years to pay off. HRC has called for donations; Obama has asked that she be helped. Everything is voluntary. We need to focus and getting Obama elected. Clinton's debts are not front and centre. Making demeaning comments about Clinton does not help. So save your bile. Penn is of no consequence to us. He will have to wait to get paid.

Jay: It was made clear that Obama is only asking his donors to help with her vendor debts, not her personal debt to her campaign.
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I love how the media never stops taking a dig at Hillary. Hillary made clear last week when she talked to her donors that she did not want her personal debt to be refunded only the debt that the campaign owed vendors. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/on_conference_call_hillary_urg.php

So it is not up to Obama to decide what part of the debt gets paid. That decision was made gracefully by Hillary.

This post by JNS is pretty straightforward. No misleading characterisation. The trouble, as usual, is with posters who feel the need to take a hit at Clinton. Must be a daily need. As always trust Democrats to do themselves in. Republicans need only to step back and watch it happen.

stuart_zechman - Well done on drawing attention to the FISA coverage and very well done on the debunking of Rustydog's unsupported smear.

Malcolm - I see nothing wrong with calling out a liar for what he is.

As for the substance of the post, I have little problem with this arrangement. Everybody negotiates support in one way or another so if this is what it takes to get the Clintons on board with the new campaign then so be it.

Teresa, thank you for that link. Perhaps it will quiet some of the ranting against Hillary for a moment.

Actually as a tangent, is Papa McCain drumming up donations for any of the campaign debt for the other primary candidates. Wasn't there talk of helping Giuliani or some of the others?

For bitter pill,

I heard this morning on MSNBC that Hillary is withholding help or helping with the understanding that he scratch her back first. Why must he deal with this diversion than with his important task at hand? Why must everything revert back to the Clintons? They had their time. For those of us wanting desperately to wake up to a new day, these gnats flying around are very frustrating.

rainbow68: I heard this morning on MSNBC that Hillary is withholding help or helping with the understanding that he scratch her back first.
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No, what you heard on Morning Joe was the usual B.S. from Joe and Mika speculating about something that would cast the darkest possible spotlight on the CLintons. They had no facts whatsoever. Go back and look at the link I provided: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/on_conference_call_hillary_urg.php

Also note that Hillary has already endorsed Obama before he said anything about helping with campaign debt.

Plus, do you think Democrats should go around screwing over local vendors they contracted with -- most of them unions? Hillary is not asking for any of her own money to be paid back. These vendors are printers, conventions halls, etc... Do you think it helps the Democratic party in general for them not to pay their bills?

"That's a lie, and you are a liar, sir."

Wow, somebody's a bit touchy about his favorite candidate.

Um no.....

Rustydog is indeed a serial liar. He's also an unapologetic racist. And he has this bizarre notion that only small-town Pennsylvanians count as "Americans"

It wasn't on Morning Joe. It was about 45 minutes ago. The blonde female moderator (Sorry, don't know her name) interviewed two guests. One denied there was behind-the-scenes talks of bailing Hillary out. The other, I felt, more realistic guests said of course that's what's happening. I am appalled that HIllary took so long to concede when it was obvious for some time that she couldn't win without trying to sway superdelegates into overriding their constituents' votes - which would have been an utter disaster. Now, she still won't go away when his attention has to be focused on beating McCain. I am afraid that Senator Obama will have to drag Hillary's corpse with him the rest of this campaign. We Obama supporters are not trying to be difficult or disloyal to the party, but enough's enough! The Clinton presidency WAS a time of peace and prosperity. Nothing can take that away, but she lost and WILL NOT GO AWAY. Of course bills should be paid and he has agreed to help her retire some of those debts, but enough already. Half-hearted support and sour grapes won't help him win!

typo: "her personal debt to her campaign" -> "her campaign's debt to her personally"

(Note her campaign owes her money not the other way around.)

Paul Dirks, in other words, Rustydog is one of the "bitters" (apologies to Wonkette).

Jay, nice post. Nice follow-up re the numbers. Sounds like my party is starting to act like grown-ups again, which is encouraging.

Also note that Hillary has already endorsed Obama before he said anything about helping with campaign debt.
TeresaKopek,
That is not true. Here's a story from several days before Senator Clinton endorsed Senator Obama. One of Senator Obama's top advisors, Tom Daschle, was clearly opening the door to helping retire Senator Clinton's debt.

You can certainly defend Senator Clinton's graciousness in defeat without diminishing Senator Obama's graciousness in victory.

Plus, do you think Democrats should go around screwing over local vendors they contracted with -- most of them unions?

Democrats, no. But Republicans are another story. One of my great shames in life was that, back when I owned a video store in Western Pennsylvania, I rented a projection tv system to the 1980 Bush for President campaign. Serves me right that they stiffed me for the bill.

CDServais : You can certainly defend Senator Clinton's graciousness in defeat without diminishing Senator Obama's graciousness in victory.
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I have not criticized Obama. But I think waiting a week or two and then saying, "Well, if you really want to, you can help out Senator Clinton" is not what I would call "gracious." Sorry. Helping pay off campaign debt is pro forma in primaries. McCain has held all kinds of fundraisers to help out Guiliani and there hasn't been a peep in the media about it.

Rainbow 68: The Clinton presidency WAS a time of peace and prosperity. Nothing can take that away, but she lost and WILL NOT GO AWAY. Of course bills should be paid and he has agreed to help her retire some of those debts, but enough already. Half-hearted support and sour grapes won't help him win!
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Give me a break. Obama does not want her to go away. He wants her 18 million voters and wants her out there campaigning for him. I don't know how much nicer she could have been in her last speech unless you wanted her to pull out a knife, plunge it in her heart, and fall to the floor gasping, "Oh, what a horrible person I am for not dropping out of the race after Iowa. I don't deserve to live." I guess anything short of that counts as "sour grapes" in your book.

rainbow68 --

Half-hearted support and sour grapes won't help him win!

If you can say that, you obviously haven't listened to her. Monday she was interviewed on the way into the Capitol and she was asked what she was going to do now and she said she was going to work as hard as she could to see that Obama was elected president and wanted everyone who supported her to do the same. She has said that over and over.

On the other hand, the pundits love to find "guests" who know what is really in other people's minds and can speculate about all the actions that fit into their views. And, as Bob Somerby has so eloquently demonstrated, they make things up.

Last night Chris Mathews spent more time agonizing about Bill Clinton than about anything dealing with current news. Why has his endorsement been tepid... what does it mean... he must still be very angry... Nonsense. He has no idea. He is making it up. His guests who joined in the speculation also have no idea. Maybe he is just standing back and waiting until after Friday -- leaving the spotlight and lead for Obama. That is just as good as any of the other guesses.

Stop blaming Hillary and get on with working for Obama.

Senator Obama does want HIllary's support, of course, but at a price of $22 million? Yes, she did finally endorse him (after reserving the right to still cause trouble at the convention if I understood Harold Ickes correctly.) No, I don't want her to knife herself, and no, she shouldn't have dropped out after Iowa - Mike Barnacle saying after Iowa that it was "over" was ridiculous. And there's no way even I can defend Chris Matthews. He never covered her fairly. But, when it had been months and months and obvious that she would not win the nomination, she ran up millions and millions of dollars of debt. This is Senator Obama's problem how?

Teresa, thank you for that link. Perhaps it will quiet some of the ranting against Hillary for a moment.

Ranting? What ranting? Aside from bitterpill's milquetoast objection, who is ranting?

Sorry, rainbow's milquetoast objection. My bad.

I have not criticized Obama. But I think waiting a week or two and then saying, "Well, if you really want to, you can help out Senator Clinton" is not what I would call "gracious." Sorry.

If rainbow68's complaint about helping Clinton retire her debt counts as "ranting," why doesn't this? Obama contacts his donors about helping Clinton, but oops, that wasn't fast enough for some folks. Not that you're criticizing Obama, of course. I suspect whatever timetable this was handled on would have generated some kind of complaint from somebody.

I'm neither ranting, nor are my objections milquetoast. I just find Hillary's "support" late in coming. I don't feel she's doing it willingly. I feel that the party leaders have her in a half-nelson forcing her to play along for the future of her political career. We have about 6 weeks to get our act together. I know many Hillary supporters are disappointed, and if my guy had not won I'm sure I would feel the same way. But unless you want President McLame keeping us in Iraq for 100 years for.. for what, I don't know, we have to come together. The economy is a mess. I'm paying $4.98 for a gallon of chocolate milk for 2 boys who drink it like it's going out of style. Don't even get me started on gas. One of my cars is elderly. I do not have the money for another one. Our future is at stake. I'm sorry if I don't feel sorry for a powerful millionaire who's gotten herself in debt, but there are more pressing problems.

I'm neither ranting, nor are my objections milquetoast.

I don't mean "milquetoast" as an insult. I'm simply pointing out that calling your objections "ranting" is stretching things quite a bit. "Mild" would have been better.

Fair enough, Fast Eddie.

Rainbow68: I just find Hillary's "support" late in coming. I don't feel she's doing it willingly. I feel that the party leaders have her in a half-nelson forcing her to play along for the future of her political career.
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I'm so glad that you can read her mind. Gosh, I thought only Maureen Dowd and her ilk could do that. She dropped out, she endorsed the guy promptly and whole heartedly and you are buying into the whole MSM critique of her being "forced" to support a party of which she has been an outstanding member for 30 years. If you go to her web page, the first thing you see is how to sign up to help Obama not an appeal to pay off her campaign debt.

And, ONCE AGAIN, she is not asking for money for herself:

In an email to supporters asking for help with debt, Clinton makes the limits of her request clear:

“As you know, I had to loan money to my campaign at critical moments. I'm not asking for anyone's help to pay that back. That was my investment and my commitment because I believe so deeply in our cause," she writes. http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

If you are struggling right now, then don't donate. No one has a gun to your head. But there are plenty of wealthy donors who can chip in some to help pay off the vendors who did honest work for the Clinton campaign.

And, by the way, the Obamas are millionaires too... If Hillary had won would you want them to have to pay off all their vendors out of their personal funds or would you want the Clintons to help them out?

Fast Eddie -- I did not call Rainbow's complaints "ranting." That was another poster.

TeresaKopek,
Senator Obama has been nothing but complimentary of Senator Clinton for a while. And now he is using his influence to help Senator Clinton pay off her debt. Pro Forma or not, what else do you need to consider his actions gracious?

Also, your dramatic straw-man argument about Senator Clinton's suicide is not a productive point of discussion. Nobody that I am aware of has suggested Senator Clinton should die for her primary election sins. As a biased Obama supporter, I felt Senator Clinton should have suspended her campaign sooner, but I understand why she wanted to continue until after all the primaries were complete.

I too feel that Senator Clinton didn't suspend her candidacy soon enough. Precious time was wasted. After that, there was the wait for her to give her endorsement speech. Then the "Will he pick her for vice president?" speculation. Now it's "What will he do to retire her debt?" Good grief! Yes, the Mainstream Media is a pain. But at some point this has to be about Senator Obama and the Democrats coming together successfully. I am glad she is supporting Senator Obama on her website. With it being pretty clear by the end of March that she could not mathematically win, I feel this support is a long time coming. Having said all of this, I can't wait for the convention. I feel our pride will surge as we watch him accept the nomination. I think our divisions will be put aside. I really do.

Rainbow68: I too feel that Senator Clinton didn't suspend her candidacy soon enough. Precious time was wasted. After that, there was the wait for her to give her endorsement speech. Then the "Will he pick her for vice president?" speculation. Now it's "What will he do to retire her debt?" Good grief!
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Wow, Senator Clinton waited 4 whole days after the last primary to give her endorsement speech. What a bitch.
She has zero control over the media speculation. She has said publically that it is up to Senator Obama to pick his V.P, what else do you want?

CDServais: And now he is using his influence to help Senator Clinton pay off her debt. Pro Forma or not, what else do you need to consider his actions gracious?
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Umm... let's see:

"Obama asked members of his National Finance Committee to contribute to Clinton's campaign if they were so inclined..." http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/25/obama.clinton.debt/?iref=hpmostpop

Wow. That is the equivalent of saying, "Well, you can jump off that bridge if you want to, but I sure wouldn't." There is no way to read his remarks on this issue as anything but lukewarm. Sorry.

He could have said, "I'd really appreciate it if everyone could chip in $5 or $10 dollars to help out Senator Clinton and the hard working, union based vendors that she hired. I know that times are hard, but if we all pull together we can knock this out. I really appreciate Senator Clinton saying that she is not asking for her personal debt to be retired and that she is primarily concerned with getting the small businesses paid back that her campaign used."

I do not understand why so many (or at least so many noisy) Obama supporters do not follow his lead in seeking unity and success. He has always been much more gracious than his most ardent supporters. Why can't you do what he would like you to do, people?

Clinton ran a valiant race. He acknowledges, and commends that. Why can't you? As the JNS post' donor says, he knows way more about what she has gone through than you do. Why can't you trust him on this?

Yeah, TK, that would be a great pitch. I hope someone on the campaign sees that comment. It would bring in more money faster, and reinforce Obama's small donor message.

But unless you want President McLame keeping us in Iraq for 100 years for.. for what, I don't know, we have to come together.

Well, for heavens sake, do so.

I have seen angry Hillary supporters signing out "McCain 08" on Time.com for weeks. I am just frustrated with some of them. If I came across as heavy-handed, I apologize.

Teresa, in point of fact I don't think anybody directly called rainbow's complaint "ranting," but somebody (ivb I think) talked about quieting "some of the ranting," and, aside from rainbow's posts I can't find anyone here who even seems to disagree with what Obama is doing, let alone somebody who is "ranting" about it. I want to know what "ranting" means in case I have the wrong idea.

I do not understand why so many (or at least so many noisy) Obama supporters do not follow his lead in seeking unity and success.

jay, that seems rather one-sided to me. I think most, if not all, Obama supporters, and especially the ones like me who are really supporting him because he's Not McCain, would love to move on yesterday. But there is a lot of residual griping going on from the Clinton supporters as well. We get "Obama sucks because he's not helping Clinton with her debt," "Obama sucks because he's helping Clinton with her debt but didn't do it fast enough," "Obama sucks because he's helping Clinton with her debt but it's not his absolute #1 immediate priority (what presidential race?)." Any corresponding criticism of Clinton or suggesting that Obama not help Clinton retire her debt is "ranting," even if it's decidedly not.

Moving on and unifying the party has to be both sides coming together and going from there. Maybe one side needs to come a little farther than the other, but too often from certain Clinton supporters it feels like they're insisting that the Obama side make 100% of the movement toward unity, and then if they get that they're going to complain that the Obama folks didn't make 110% of the effort, and so on. If some of Clinton's supporters are never going to be satisfied with any efforts to patch things up and move on, then they should at least be kind enough to let the rest of us know so that we can stop wasting time trying to patch things up with them.

TeresaKopec,
One report says "if they are so inclined", and another says he "asked but did not demand". You can choose the cynical interpretation if you like. Since there is no quote of what was said, one could argue that the language you used is exactly what they used. It's asking but not demanding.

How do you interpret this:

Clinton donors had been making a clear case to Obama that he needed to use his fundraising resources to help her get out of the red. Her national finance co-chair, Hassan Nemazee, told The Associated Press last week that Clinton would be freer to campaign for Obama and raise money for him if she did not have to concentrate on retiring her debt.

Moreover, Nemazee said, it would be easier for Clinton fundraisers who wanted to help Obama to be able to tell former Clinton donors, "Look what Senator Obama has done for Senator Clinton."(link)

Senator Clinton's national finance co-chair is not exactly being gracious. Why does Senator Clinton have to get something in order for her supporters to jump on the Obama bandwagon? I'm not saying he shouldn't help, but demanding money does not demonstrate "grace".

FastEddie--

Clinton people should also follow her lead, and graciously and enthusiastically support Obama.

rainbow 68: have been away. Look, you are entitled to withold. If you are relying on MSNBC for "fair and balanced" coverage I can understand the thrust of your argument. Of course Andrea Mitcehll started the ball rolling on Today and it took off from there. And Motormouth's puzzlement over Bill Clinton on Goofball was yet another attempt by that silly ass to diss the Clintons. These people have learnt nothing, and forgotten nothing.

I listened to Clinton on her return to the Senate and she made a clear and emphatic statement of support and a readiness to campaign for Obama. But then she took four days to concede and gave perhaps the best sppech of her campaign to wholeheatedly support Obama. I guess that will never be enough for you. Having nothing to complain about attention was turned to Bill's likewarm statement. Tells you what those pundits do: look around for muck.

MSNBC is surprised that after such a bruising primary Obama is making headway. Accepting Clinton's help demonstrates that unlike MSNBC and assorted pundits he knows what it takes to win.

@rainbow68,
"I too feel that Senator Clinton didn't suspend her candidacy soon enough. Precious time was wasted."
For Chrissake, there's still more than 4 months to the election. Unlike us political junkies, most of the people who are undecided now won't be paying attention until the conventions. Nov can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned.

Bitter Pill, You've got me on MSNBC. After the Iowa win for Senator Obama, Chris Matthews asked Mike Barnacle what he thought. He said, "Oh, it's over. It's over. Obama's won." Even as an Obama supporter, that seemed bizarre and unfair.

As far as you, Malcolm, yes technically there were four months left, but mathematically she had no chance. I realize this had been a dream of hers for a long time, but it gave McCain ammunition for later use. It also allowed him to sit around grinning like the Cheshire cat not being challenged while this thing dragged on. Only when the superdelegates told her they would not support did she back off. Even then, she left the option of making a stink at the convention - if I understood Harold Ickes when he was in Florida.

By the way, Malcolm can November not come soon enough because you're voting for McCain? Surely not.

rainbow68,
"By the way, Malcolm can November not come soon enough because you're voting for McCain? Surely not."

You seem pretty new here, so I suppose you never saw my sad litany of losing Presidential candidates that I backed. (Obama is only the 3rd candidate that I supported in a Pres primary or GE who won. That's something like 3 for 14.)

Right now, the polls are showing Obama well ahead. I'm skeptical, since I supect that a Bradley effect may rear it ugly head in some rust belt states, but at least there's hope. But I'm afraid that as we get closer to the election, Rethug smears will pile up and we'll be exposed to all Wright all the time coverage.

I'm afraid what I'm going to say will make me sound hopelessly naive, but here goes: I really think Barack Obama transcends race. He even reminds me of a Mr. Smith going to Washington. Having been raised by a white mother and white grandparents, there is a unique understanding of both the black and white communities. As far as the Bradley effect, I really hope this isn't the case. I feel if there was a scandal or unknown unseemly information, it would have come out over the last few months.

To all those Hillary supporters that are filled with hate, that are voting for McCain instead of your party. Remember Hillary is planning on running again.

When that time comes don't be surprise if the Obama supporters switch side, and don't vote as well.

If the GOP get in there she will lose again in the coming years. The Hillary army is really destroying her chance of ever getting elected and don't even see it.

Because "Krama" is something else...

To all those Hillary supporters that are filled with hate, that are voting for McCain instead of your party. Remember Hillary is planning on running again.

When that time comes don't be surprise if the Obama supporters switch side, and don't vote as well.

If the GOP get in there she will lose again in the coming years.

The Hillary army is really destroying her chance of ever getting elected and they do not even see it.

Because "Krama" is something else...

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