UPDATE: If Not Her...

It baffles me why she would say this. Is she surprised there's been sexism in the campaign? Does she think it would go away if she were elected? Does she think we want to hear about it for 8 years? Can she imagine Maggie Thatcher saying this?

On the one hand she says she's not a quitter, and Americans find that an admirable quality. But she seems to be missing some deep truth about the way Americans like people to respond to adversity. To triumph over it you don't whine about it.

Well no, I don't suppose it does baffle me. She whips up resentment from every put-down woman she can find, and they vote.

I am disappointed that she has not found any racism in this campaign, but not shocked. There has been both to be honest.

There of course is a racial component to the Reverend Wright thing. A white politician who had a minister saying say New Orleans deserved it because of the gays, wouldn't get the level of scrutiny that Wright/Obama did.

MSNBC in particular has been very sexist in it's coverage of Clinton, Chris Matthews in particular. Olberman has debased himself as well.

Russert either is a racist, or plays a good copy of one. My favorite example is the whole Harry Belafonte "issue". He demanded twice of Obama and once of Colin Powell to "denounce" Belafonte. They both had no relationship with him. I am getting sick and tired of the denouncing game that is one sided.

When Timmy Russert demands that white politicians denounce everything any white dude says, I know I will be on an acid trip.

To be fair, the media was horribly obnoxious to John Edwards with retarded coverage and he is a white guy.

How can a rich guy like FDR, I mean John Edwards care about poor people. If he spends any money on himself, it proves he is a hypocrite.

I do not want the typical press wanking session in December where members of the gang say for the 20th election in a row that they were shallow and they really really aren't going to do it again next time.

The obligatory media navel gazing will come trifecta, it always does.
"We shouldn't have been distracted by (x) but everyone was talking about it!"
And Kurtz will conclude "on balance the media did a great job"
Like sun rising in the East, it's predictable.

There will always be a degree of sexism and racism in the electorate but to focus energy on that is to miss the point. Hillary was the favorite, she had support which SHE lost (including mine, a white 57 yr. old woman) because of the campaign she ran and the people she chose to run her campaign. It was her campaign to lose and she did.

Not only is Hillary a polarizing figure across party lines but she is showing herself to be polarizing within her own party. Hillary’s WV victory speech, out of touch with reality, provided the narrative that will make it increasingly difficult to unify the party. And by vowing to continue, she makes it increasingly difficult to have the time to unify and heal the wounds she is inflicting. She continues the narrative each day she campaigns.

She says: “They want me to quit”, “they say it’s too hard”: Who is “they”? The “pundits” she refers to are only citing the math. The FACT is that she cannot win. The reality is the electorate has chosen Obama. He has won the primaries that have given him the delegate count that Hillary cannot overcome.

If Hillary had an ounce of honesty, she would acknowledge that Obama has won the vote, has won the delegates, and he has done so because he represents real change and a break from the Carl Rove/Hillary Clinton brand of politics. It has nothing to do with sexism. Yes a woman, not THIS woman.

Hillary does not speak the truth as evidenced most clearly in her recollection of the trip to Bosnia and continues each day in her campaign speeches.

She says, “we cannot disenfranchise the voters of Michigan and FL.” Winning Hillary’s way means she disenfranchises the voters who have given Obama the majority of delegates.

She does not disclose that Obama has won 32 states to her 17. That Obama has won 18 of those states with more than 60% of the vote to her 2 states over 60%(N.Y.Times website).

Hillary falsely creates the image of being a victim, feeding into a sexist narrative that could doom the party in November. She continues this deception in her campaign speeches in Oregon and Kentucky.

The longer she continues this rhetoric she continues to deceive her supporters and the more difficult it will be to unify the party and win in November.

First of all flaxponder, they were calling for her to quit after Iowa and dancing on her grave.

I think on balance -- while acknowledging that Russert is a d**khead about Belafonte, etc -- the media has been more of a watch guard against racism than sexism in this campaign. They have certainly parsed every word for double meaning coming out of the Clinton campaign. At the same time, they have merrily sat around in their little confabs on TV laughing about her cackle, her pantsuits, comments from Rush about her looks, her marriage, how she reminds them of their "first wives at probate court," etc...

Only now that Hillary has lost are they coming up with these, "Oh was their sexism too?" stories.

if not her??? really?
i will tell you who, a woman who doesnt play the victim card, a woman who doesnt cry for effect (see nh), a woman who doesnt have to "act like a b*%ch" because she thinks that is the only way men will respect her. a woman who stands on her own merit rather than taking credit for work her husband did...i am the least sexist man i know (which may be like saying i am the skinniest kid at fat camp, i realize) but i was continually offended by how she ran her campaign. you cant say, i am tough i am a fighter, you cant shake me...and then turn on the waterworks to get votes. it is disingenuos. i have no problem with leaders showing emotion, i have a problem with a leader who says this is a time for tough minded people who can make the hard decisions to the complex problems we face and then acts contrary.
trifecta, you hit it on the head. if any candidate was treated unfairly it was edwards. as for sexism and racism, duh. welcome to america, where being smart has always been ridiculed. our country has been in a race to the bottom my entire life (probably before that, but i have no evidence to support before i was born)...it 20 years dumb and dumber wont get any laughs because people wont understand why it is funny...excuse me now, i have to go write a 6000 dollar check for college for my son...

Hillary:
. "The manifestation of some of the sexism that has gone on in this campaign is somehow more respectable, or at least more accepted, and . . . there should be equal rejection of the sexism and the racism when it raises its ugly head.

Me:
Racism and sexism are both still serious problems but at least in the circles I travel, sexism carries significantly less stigma whereas racism is more underground and couched in less blatant language.

This reinforces what I was trying to say the first time.

Racism and Sexism are both very common and serious problems but racism has a significantly more effective taboo in place. In some ways this makes it a more difficult problem becuase it is couched in the language of plausable deniability whereas sexist language is more open. Both are deeply offensive but I think the amount of energy spent arguing over which was more in play in the primary has distracted us from the more important task of electing someone to the White House who embraces equality as a value in the first place.

For someone who is so vigorously complaining about "sexism" in this campaign, she sure has used it an awful lot to gain pity votes. One of the classics was "The big boys are ganging up on me" approach. And her crying jag in NH. If she truly wants to eliminate sexism in this campaign, she needs to stop using it as a crutch. It's a 2 way street Hillary. But then again, hypocrisy is your middle name.

You know, we are all being played for fools by the corporate media.

Racism and Sexism exist in our society and from time to time they have lit little brush fires in this campaign.

Whenever there is a little brush fire, the media goes and ours gasoline on it so that the pundits can bemoan the problem of wildfires.

When it comes to race and gender, the media are little better than arsonists.

The corporate media do this in order to divide the democratic party. They know it is a democratic year and they wish to pit us against each other so that their preferered candidate, John McCain, will let them consolodate and monopolize in anti-competitive monopolistic behavior. They don't want a democrat who might actually enforce anti-trust laws.

So as we endlessly fight about race and gender, I think the Obama and Clinton camps ought to be much more forgiving of each other and muich less forgiving of the corporate media for their role in sowing division for ratings.

We need to unite againt the real bad guys...the right wing and traditional media...who are all trying to ruin a good Democratic year by covering identity politics much more than Iraq or the economy...issues that actually matter.

Karen, what do you think about this? You've posted on the topic a couple of times but you haven't really said whether or not you think your colleagues in the media have covered Hillary's campaign in a sexist way. Given that you're a reporter on the national stage, a woman, and a thoughtful person, I really want to know what you think. Actually, your opinion about this is more important to me than Hillary's. She has an obvious ax to grind, you don't.

So, Karen... please, some uncensored opinion from you on this. Consider it a fan request.

Paul Dirks makes an excellent point. Think about the early morning and prime time cable news shows. How many non-White hosts do we have? Zero.

How many MSNBC shows offer a consistent ethnic counterbalance to Pat Bucahanan? Zero. Buchanan can state that minorties should thank White Americans for all that White Americans have done to help Blacks. There is no response that White Americans should thank Black Americans for building the country (including the White House) for free.

Pat Buchanan is an MSNBC mainstay. Glenn Beck is a CNN-HNN host. There is no African-American host to provide consistent opposition to either of those Conservative/Liberatarian hosts views.

At least Mika B is a presence on Morning Joe and offers some counterbalance. She and Scarborough offered some complaint to Penn Gillete's telling of a very sexist joke about Hillary Clinton. CNN's AM show has Kiran Chetry or another female as a co=-host. Except for guest shots, African-Americans are shut out on MSNBC and CNN.

While it would be difficult to state that racism is the cause for the absence of a Black host, the overall effect is the same. White hosts direct the discussion. African-Americans are just there to respond rather than lay out a rationale for a different point of view.

This goes on in front of our eyes on a daily basis and is ignored. Subtle but real.

KT: watched you on PBS last night.

Both racism and sexism are alive and well in our land. Only thing is that the boys and girls at MSNBC are really scared to be called racists (and Russert is always ready to have Blacks condemn Blacks )but have no problem with being called sexists (incl some of the women at MSNBC). Now, we can find lots of things to criticise about Hillary, just as those who don't support Obama can finds his shortcomings. The issue at hand is whether we can persuade white "working class" voters to give Obama a fair shake. Obama needs to work at this and I am sure he will connect in the months ahead. Let the DNC resolve Michigan and Florida and we can focus on a united front against the Saint.

This anti-Hillary stuff is poison to our side. Let's dump it.

The lack of objectivity in these posts is appalling and frightening because most people that post, particularly here, are articulate and intelligent but filled with a hatred I still don't understand. I just don't see how any of Hillary Clinton's actions have the country where it is now or how any of her actions have affected the lives of the people in this blog, unless you are press and covered the White House during the Clinton years. I guess there you have some bone to pick, but otherwise this vitriol seems to be an issue of self righteousness because "she lies or because she engages in this and that or she stayed with her husband to become president..." Such judgmental babble and moral altitude nausea is unbecoming. Do you really believe Obama doesn't lie? If he is less tainted is because he hasn't been at it longer. That is it. Politicians are not saviors and Obama is a master politician. Oh boy...

By the way, as a foreigner and yes, a woman, who has no direct stake on this I will tell you this: I knew she wasn't going to win the nomination from the get go. The irrational hatred so many people feel for her was hidden and this was written from the very,very beginning. And regardless of what everyone in this blog says: she is an extraordinary candidate and she has shown her mettle throughout it all. The fact that she is still there with the possibility of a big win tonight speaks volumes of her.

Paul Dirks: "Racism and Sexism are both very common and serious problems but racism has a significantly more effective taboo in place."

Yes, but. The msm racism that we see on the teevee was coded, as in requiring Obama to renounce and reject any "bad" black man cause, well cause they are both black. I didn't notice Hillary having to renounce any "shrill" women during the debates.

Both Hillary and Obama have had to deal with plenty of offensive behavior from the media (anyone who says otherwise is being intentionally obtuse), and from passersby with deeply offensive misogynistic and racist comments and behavior.

For Hillary to deny against all evidence that there has been racism in the campaign is simply another example of her choosing not to take the high road, which is one of the reasons she lost my support. As flaxponder said above: ". . . she had support which SHE lost (including mine, a white 57 yr. old woman) because of the campaign she ran and the people she chose to run her campaign. It was her campaign to lose and she did."

My personal cross to bear right now is West Virginia's deeply offensive slack-jawed yokel behavior in the primary (and thanks msm for finding the slackest of the slack jawed to interview on the teevee - that was special). I wish I had a way (I'm trying) to get more of my neighbors to see past their ingrained hostility and simply listen to Obama, to see who he is. His response to Bush-McCain yesterday on what makes a strong leader was exactly the kind of thing I've been waiting to hear from the Dem leadership for years.

RKA: "When it comes to race and gender, the media are little better than arsonists."

Well said, but I wouldn't limit that to issues of race and gender. In pursuit of ratings and profits, the press tends to sensationalize just about everything, and in the process often serves to exacerbate differences rather than promote understanding.

She's right about sexism, but she really torpedoes her own credibility by saying there's been no racism in this campaign. The media has been more blatantly sexist, of course, but to say there's been no racism.... Hell, somebody brought up Russert and Belafonte, what about her waving Farrakhan's name like a bloody shirt? I think that was the moment I came to truly despise her.

Paulnnto: Chris Matthews with David Shuster's help dealt with Clinton's criticism of the Media last vening. Russert did the same on MTP where he was given absolution by Shrumbo and Murpho. I think they were gored and felt the need to rebut. As always the MSM give themselves a pass: great to be both judge and jury.

poh123: the blogs give some people anonymity which may account for some of the over the top language. People use strongly worded expressions and don't feel the need to hold back. In Clinton's case the media has set the stage for the heavy handed critique by reporting every little negative tidbit. And some bloggers swallow everything which reinforces their already negative view of Clinton. You will see Hillary as a cackling witch and Obama as a saint walking on water. That's the frame. It has been pushed successfully. The only problem is that the witch seems to have endured and it is annoying those who want her gone. They don't want their saint to be bothered by the wicked witch.

In Clinton's case the media has set the stage for the heavy handed critique by reporting every little negative tidbit. And some bloggers swallow everything which reinforces their already negative view of Clinton.

Uh huh. Everyone who opposed Clinton is just a big dumb knuckle-dragging sexist who stares at Tim Russert nodding along as best as our slack jaws permit. We think Obama is the new Messiah and don't see any of his flaws. We sure am dumm!

Clinton didn't really vote for Bush's war, the media has fiendishly covered up her stellar record of acheivement and leadership in the Senate (those post offices don't name themselves, people!!), she didn't threaten to obliterate Iran or lie about Obama's stance on NAFTA, she hasn't consistently pandered to the lowest common denominator of the party and country.....

Pat, I'm an Obama supporter who neither sees Hillary as a cackling witch nor Obama as a saint.

I see Hillary as a talented woman I was fully prepared to work for and support until she started conducting her campaign in a manner that was unhelpful to our chances in November, and as a candidate who went back on very public pledges for political expedience (see MI and FL).

I see Obama as a man who has run an astonishingly successful campaign that not only beat the prohibitive frontrunner but is also laying the ground for Dem success in all 50 states. And who is utterly unafraid to take on repub fearmonging with clear truth. I've been waiting for that for a long long long time.

"Chris Matthews with David Shuster's help dealt with Clinton's criticism of the Media last evening."

I was at a ballgame so I missed it-I am very curious, what did they say exactly?
One was suspended and one gave a sort of apology for their nastiness towards the Clintons.

Bitterpill: Chris Matthews with David Shuster's help dealt with Clinton's criticism of the Media last vening.
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Schuster did a whole piece essentially claiming that Hillary was lying when she said people in the media were calling for her to get out. I thought it was the most dishonest piece of crap that I have ever seen Schuster do.

He said no one in the media has ever called for Hillary to drop out of the race! Are you kidding me Schuster? Every day on MSNBC since Iowa we have heard them talk about why is she still running, isn't she hurting Obama by staying in the race, when will she drop out, why can't she see the math isn't on her side, etc...etc...

wvng: I agree. But look at your response versus that of Jim FL. You are pushing your candidate's merits and doing it in a way that does not turn off Hillary's supporters. Jim, with his over the top language may think he is being direct and honest. All he succeeds in doing is alienate some Clinton supporters. He may think he does not need them. But Obama does.

Politics is the art of the possible. If one wants to trade in in your face stuff expect an appropriate response. Whether one likes it or not women voters who support Clinton now need to be brought over to Obama's side and the way to do that is to show some respect for Clinton's effort.

I think Clinton is protecting herself by saying she saw no racism in the campaign. She's concerned that if she admits there were racist undertones she'll be tarring herself with her own brush. But one need not look farther than last week's events in West Virginia to see that racism was a real, potent force in the primary - and while it's understandable that she would not want to acknowledge that she has benefited from that that, it's unfortunate. Unfortunate, as her inability to acknowledge there were racist undertones to many of the themes we've heard in the campaign undercuts her credibility on her claims of sexism.

I think she made a very good point when she noted the media seemed less enthusiastic about talking about sexism than racism. Clinton clearly did have to face sexism, and whether it was a significant or more significant than the racism faced by Obama is beside the point - neither sexism nor racism should be acceptable in the 21st Century, and the media should make those who espouse such view account for themselves. Not likely when some of the biggest offenders can be heard nightly on cable.

Pat: I agree. Over-the-top language from either side is very unhelpful. In the end, we all need to be on the same side and give the repubs a generational vacation from any position of leadership.

Jim, with his over the top language may think he is being direct and honest. All he succeeds in doing is alienate some Clinton supporters. He may think he does not need them. But Obama does.

So.... you're allowed to insult and sneeringly dismiss people who disagree with you as lazy, bigoted and intellectually shallow, but I'm not allowed to point out that your candidate's flaws are greater than the self-serving, reductive caricatures you use, because discussing issues hurts your feelings?

If one wants to trade in in your face stuff expect an appropriate response.

The total lack of self-awareness is fascinating. And kinda funny.

Let's also agree that there were many reasons to vote for or against Obama or Clinton that had nothing to do with sexism or racism. From the beginning the Democratic presidential lineup this year has been stellar. Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Dodd, Richardson, Biden - all were better qualified than any of the Republican contenders for the presidency. An embarrassment of riches.

Paulnnto and Teresa: I gave up watching both MTP and Crapball some time ago. But this Sunday and yesterday I had a visitor who wanted to watch, so I sat in. Once upon a time Shuster was the go to guy for a good piece of reporting. But the whole MSNBC gang of charlatans are so tainted by dishonesty that even Shuster has lost his connection with his craft.

As I said: these people play judge and jury and give themselves a pass. It shows how little respect they have for their viewers.

Thanks Teresa I am not sorry to have missed it.
How silly for Schuster to play semantics.
"We didn't call for her to quit, we just questioned why she is crazy enough not to leave the race."

RKA: "When it comes to race and gender, the media are little better than arsonists."

Well said, but I wouldn't limit that to issues of race and gender. In pursuit of ratings and profits, the press tends to sensationalize just about everything, and in the process often serves to exacerbate differences rather than promote understanding. Posted by Robert Sullivan

Good show, guys. Dead on. Robert Reich talked about this recently. Ratings spike during shoutfests, so that's what they encourage. It's darn strange, you get to be an expert like Reich through years of study and output, but you get to be a famous and influential pundit by flipping out all the darn time.

Paul Dirks has it right, I think. The sexism is overt and easy to identify-- and it's there in spades, especially with Chris Matthews, but elsewhere too. The racism tends to be, officially, plausibly deniable. But the single, solitary reason that Rev. Wright is such a huge issue is because he's a scary black man.

(Obama's my third or so choice. I would have been perfectly happy to vote for Clinton, but there was the "he said Reagan had good ideas" and "change you can Xerox" stuff in the debates, then the negative ads about "bitter," and about the gas tax, and the stuff about hard working white people... it just seemed uncouth to throw so much silly stuff at a fellow Dem. So I'd vote for her in the fall, if Obama is struck by lightning, but I won't be as happy about it as I'd've expected as recently as January or February. So there's been sexism against Clinton, but there was sexism against Thatcher, too, but I still don't feel a need to support either one).

There are now 3 women hosts in prime time on the cable news channels. Two of them, Nancy Grace and Greta host shows that mainly deal with non-political topics. The third is Campbell Brown on CNN. Wife of Republican spinner Dan Senor, but so far, she has been fairly neutral. There is not a single African American hosting a prime-time show on these networks. Rachel Maddow hosted Countdown Friday and beat OReilly in the coveted 25-54 graphic. The point is that few women, but no African Americans, are in control of "opinion" network shows in prime-time. That is just a fact.

Elvis: Point taken. I think we are at a stage at which we need to go forward. With Obama now close to ending this our efforts should be to bring together Clinton and Obama supporters understanding that both sexism and racism has played some part in the primary race. We don't need to wallow in mistakes and nurse grievances. We have a greater goal in front of us: to defeat the Republicans. That should unite us.

KT here--

MikeM: As I have written before, the Clinton campaign has made a lot of big mistakes, and those alone could explain why she is where she is in this race. But I also think that Hillary Clinton has been subjected to a lot that is indeed quite sexist. I don't want to draw any equivalences or lack of them with racism. I just think it's a fact. What I don't know is whether this was something that ANY woman running for President will confront, or whether it is merely one form of the vitriol that Hillary Clinton herself seems to inspire from a certain segment of the voters--and, yes, the media. I'm optimistic, as I look at other women who are rising in politics, that the next one who runs will not face what Clinton has.

the media has been more of a watch guard against racism than sexism in this campaign.

I think this note by TeresaK is more on the mark than Clinton's claim of an absence of racism.

But otherwise, I think Clinton is right, and that there is at least as big, and perhaps a bigger obstacle to female than to black candidates.

It's complicated by nearly two decades of demonizing Clinton herself by both the RWNM and the press, led by Howell Raines and MoDo.

Pelosi got the same treatment from the Wurlitzer, but the press has not picked it up. And it's telling that there is no other woman in a plausible position to run for president.

India, Israel, the UK, even Pakistan have had female heads of state. What's up with the US?

Hillary Clinton as the Jackie Robinson of female presidential candidates?
Perhaps.

RKA, criticizing the media seems to be exactly what she's doing.

Kathy, people can't just pretend prejudice doesn't exist. And Obama has also spoken about the role of prejudice in this campaign - often like Clinton in terms of people adjusting to a new kind of candidacy - including in relation to voters. This isn't just a Clinton thing; It's a "two historical candidates acknowledging the obvious" thing. Also, it's just really difficult to make prejudice unacceptable if we don't talk about it. Prejudice has never been successfully fought or defeated through denial.

And Margaret Thatcher unfortunately didn't help improve things much for women politicians in general in the UK. Also, she was not a progressive politician concerned with prejudice and inequality, like Clinton is. Clinton doesn't need to follow the model of a politician who shares her gender and little else, and who didn't achieve what I'm sure Clinton wants to achieve: helping other women progress in politics.

"Does she think we want to hear about it for 8 years?" - Unfortunately sexism isn't going to go away if we just stop talking about it.

And I would like to actually a get a quote on the race question. Was she referring to the media or voters or her own campaign? Details are needed.

The reaction to these innocuous comments really shows that she needed to do a gender speech, like Obama's race speech.

KT, well said. And I hope your optimism is proved correct.

Thanks KT. I think that's a great analysis.

Elvis -

Thanks for the link. I don't always agree with Reich, but I almost always find his insights to be both interesting and useful. In this case, he nailed it.

I share his concerns regarding the general election. Left to themselves, I think Obama and McCain might actually manage relatively clean, issues-oriented campaigns. Unfortunately, I fully expect that less scrupulous parties on both sides will enthusiastically leap into negative personal attack mode. The candidates will attempt to distance themselves, but each side will accuse the opposing candidate of secretly coordinating the attacks. Worst case, the candidates themselves will be dragged down into the muck.

By the way, did you notice that Reich listed "the blogosphere" among the bad players in this mess?

Smedley: The point is that few women, but no African Americans, are in control of "opinion" network shows in prime-time. That is just a fact.
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True. I wish MSNBC would get rid of Willie Giest on Morning Joe and replace him with an African-American. I quite enjoy it when they have Harold Ford or that guy from HuffPo guest host. Both add an interesting perspective while Giest seems to serve as frat boy foil to Scarborough.

TeresaKopec

While I agree about Willie Geist, the real point would be to have an African=-American host with his/her own show. Scarborough proved unable to handle a real challenge from Rachel Maddow and stormed off the Dan Abrams show (off camera). Scarborough would not tolerate a strong and opinionated co-host.

Suprisingly, the best African-American co-host to date was Tiki Barber who actually challenged some of the asertions Mika and Scarborough made about race in the campaign.

Perhaps Rev Wright would be the best counterbalance for Pat Buchanan :)

I was just thinking.

As evidence of sexism in the race, some have mentioed the call by the media for Hillary to drop from the race. The thing is, don't all candidates face pressure to quit the nomination process after performing poorly in primaries/caucuses? As far as I know (and I have a pretty weak sense of the primary process), the first few races really shakes out who should stay and who should leave. Though Romney won some states, he eventually bowed from the Republican primary race and Huckabee had to justify consistently staying in the race, even though he was getting close to 40% of the vote in some places.

Clinton lost 11 straight races in a row after Super Tuesday, some of them by pretty heady dividends, and lost the first one right out of the box,

As an added conumdrum, the Democratic practice of apportioning the vote also played a role here. Supposedly, Obama staked his chances on this very thing. So, there was a shifting paradigm about how to run alongside memory of how things had been done.

Fact is, if I were interested in being the Republican nominee, I would be pretty invested in changing the rules to match the Democratic practice. Huckabee could have been in there for a while if his delegate numbers could have reflected his actual appeal with voters.

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Tiki Barber may be better in that forum than he was at football. Case in point: Giants win Super Bowl the year AFTER Tiki retires!

There was a front page article in the Trib today about a small town in Kentucky that Clinton is going to win handily because most of the residents there will happily tell you that they cannot and will not vote for a black candidate. But no, racism hasn't been a factor in this campaign at all.

Why would she make such an outrageous and demonstrably inaccurate statement in the middle of an otherwise fairly reasonable commentary on the sexism she's faced?

Remember, FastEddie, she is married to the first Black President, so, obviously she is in a position to know.

Unfortunately, Clinton felt a level of panic after Super Tuesday and made some unfortunate choices - but they were still choices. The true mettle of a leader is usually revealed during this type of extreme pressure as it did with Mrs. Clinton.

But regardless of the divisive nature of the campaign (not sure who said it up top) this should be every Dem's top priority:

"In the end, we all need to be on the same side and give the repubs a generational vacation from any position of leadership."

Tiki Barber may be better in that forum than he was at football. Case in point: Giants win Super Bowl the year AFTER Tiki retires!

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smedley that's why I was surprised by his verbal skills on MSNBC. I thought Tiki was just a loud mouth complainer.

Ed Gordon of Black Enterprise Magazine's TV show also provides a ddifferent point of view on those rare occasions when he is allowed on TV.

It is amazing that MSM finds Sharpton and Jackson who at least provide some oppsitionto the racial crap the MSM hands out. MSM easily finds Black Conservatives who disagree with and chastize the Black community. MSM cannot find anyone who really represents the mainstream viewpoint of most African-Americans. That is a sad commentary.

Rose wrote:

"And I would like to actually a get a quote on the race question. Was she referring to the media or voters or her own campaign? Details are needed."

Ditto, ditto, ditto. It is a very murky interpretation and one to all kinds of innuendos as has been the case in this blog.

A year after Obama's presidency (because if you haven't noticed, the media is already warning the viewers with what is coming and Obama will be president) I will return to this particular blog. I hope you are all right, not about Clinton because I find most of the negative statements regarding her petty, but about Obama. I hope that he turns out to be everything you faithfully believe that he will be and then some.

5un5hin3, the thinking is that a. she is doing far better than either Romney or Huckabee, and b. the calls for her to drop out started ridiculously early, just after Iowa in fact. I think the election is over now, but it was only over after NC. And before Pennsylvania, and especially Texas and Ohio, she had a very significant chance of winning.

"Why would she make such an outrageous and demonstrably inaccurate statement in the middle of an otherwise fairly reasonable commentary on the sexism she's faced?" - FastEddie, let's wait for the quote of what she actually said before assuming the worst. If there was ever a time for a journalist to include the full quote of a question and answer, that was it.

It should be noted: the jury's out on Romano. This is Solomon's frequent collaborator on some of his most offensive work, and the jury's still out on whether she's his ideological replacement.

Rose - I think, actually, that the paragraph from the WAPO quoted from Hillary in KT's piece is a very reasonable point for her to raise in a campaign post-mortem. She's not saying anything about sexism that isn't true. The problem I have with it is that she seems to use it as a ploy. She does not call out the best in people by suggesting that she has confidence the American people are in a place where they will make their decisions on qualifications rather than gender. And part of the reason for that is that she apparently wants women to vote for her because she's a woman. So she complains about sexism even while exploiting it. which. drives. me. crazy

I also think, by the way, that if Barack is elected then he'll be so vilified so constantly by the Republican scandal generating machine that in 4 years most of us will be just as tired of Barack as we now are of Hillary.

Pat - if you didn't see Karen't first installment of "if not her" go back up several posts and find it. A wonderful discussion, practically nothing over the top.

"She does not call out the best in people by suggesting that she has confidence the American people are in a place where they will make their decisions on qualifications rather than gender." - Kathy, why do you think that? She really seems to be criticizing the press for its sexism and its failure to be "worthy of the seriousness of the campaign;" She's not claiming that Americans are too sexist to elect a woman President. And judging by her comments, she seems to think that the media is a lot more sexist than the electorate. And I absolutely agree with her on that.

"She does not call out the best in people by suggesting that she has confidence the American people are in a place where they will make their decisions on qualifications rather than gender." - Kathy, why do you think that? She really seems to be criticizing the press for its sexism and its failure to be "worthy of the seriousness of the campaign;" She's not claiming that Americans are too sexist to elect a woman President. And judging by her comments, she seems to think that the media is a lot more sexist than the electorate. And I absolutely agree with her on that.

Well Rose, I do not.

Has there been some sexism? yes. Is it to blame for her losing?

Absolutely not. She's losing because she ran a crappy campaign that alienated a lot of democratic voters. Many of us women in her prime demographic.

She blew it, she's lost, it's over. And I'm really tired of watching her play the victim.

"I'm the victim! I'm the victim! I'm the victim! It's not racist that I said he can't win white votes! It's sexist that he's beating me!"

Bring back that show, Queen for a Day, so she can win something with that sob story.

The Daily Howler has an excellent (in my opinion) piece about this is today's edition. He's talking about Cohen's column in today's WaPo.

KT, I, too, watched you last night on the Newshour. Articulate as always.

I had a long talk with my wife today over breakfast about this very issue. I wondered if I, a 63 year old male, was incapable of seeing my own inherent bias against Hillary Clinton, and by extension, women in general.

I've supported Obama almost since the beginning of the campaign, once I saw how much more inspired I was by the tone and intelligence of his campaign compared to hers.

I had intended to vote for her without reservation before Obama came on the scene, feeling she was the best shot the Dems had for ending the Republican disaster. Even though, and I remember thinking this at the time, she had high, high negative numbers even among Democrats, and certainly was a lightning rod for right wingnuts to rant against.

We both, my wife and I, agreed after talking at length about it that we tend to project our hopes and fears on the candidates we support and those we don't support.

I take the same exception to Hillary now, when she calls people who disagree or are rude about her "misogynists", as I took when she did what I took as her calculated, sometimes conniving, often not nearly clever enough approach to bringing Obama down.

Call it reverse misogny...you could make a case for it at least, though I'm not inclined to do so.

Obama gave her the opportunity to take the campaign high road, in the beginning, but she chose the low rent approach, made mistakes, and lost. It's that simple.

I do feel compassion for all those people who do think that because she's a woman, she should have received better treatment then she did. Perhaps I'm projecting my own innate sense of fair play and decency onto Obama and the electorate at large, and that ends up counting against her, because I don't like or approve of many of the cheap tactics she employed during the campaign.

Still, it's always hard to lose.

But isn't it also fair to say, "Hey, if you want to be treated the same as a man, don't pull the gender card. Campaigns treat everybody like crap at one time or another."

I believe if she'd avoided the "poor me" complaints that she dredged up several times during the campaign, she would have called less attention in fact to her weaknesses as a candidate. And her running with whatever she could dig up about Obama had the effect of polarizing the electorate. She's hoist by her own petard, in that the sniping she chose has backlashed onto her. Now it seems people are voting for her out of spite and anger...hardly the emotional atmosphere we need for yet another four years. And she's mostly responsible for that tone.

I think this latest of a series of last-ditch attempts to skew public perception makes her look even weaker than she showed throughout the campaign. Not as in the "weaker sex" view, but weaker as a candidate. She says "I lost, it's because I wasn't given a fair shot, etc.," and it's not the kind of rationale or viewpoint you want your president to go forward with.

"I voted for Iraq because I was mislead, etc." I was worried early on that she would cop to the mistake, and thus improve her chances by being honest. Instead, as we're still seeing, she is pathologically, it seems, unable to admit weakness. And that is a fatal weakness in any candidate - look at George W. Bush, the poster boy for My Way or the Highway, right or wrong.

I want a president who keeps her/his cool in moments of crisis, who manages the organization well, keeps everybody involved in the game by making sure everybody contributes to the merits and pitfalls of all discussions, and takes the high road by nature, not just when politically expedient.

I fault Hillary on that basis, as a person, as a candidate. Her sex has nothing to do with it. I suspect many others were turned off by her scattershot scramble to right the leaking ship months ago. She had many choices as a candidate. She made bad ones, a lot of them, and defeat is the natural result.

I remember a little thing, early on: her refusal to honor his victory after an early primary. That was unseemly, and it was noticed. You can't play all the cards whenever you feel like it, then complain when others play the very same cards against you down the road.

But at the same time I do have empathy for the women who feel she was cheated, or unfairly treated. It's never fun to lose. I remember feeling disheartened and discouraged when Obama was taking Hillary's and other combat boots in the shorts. I thought we were on the verge of losing the best chance to regain some of the dignity we've lost in this country, with his candidacy, and I wasn't happy to see that buried in the mud of typical ends-justify-methods politics.

I believe the other candidates (Obama, Biden, Dodd, Edwards etc.) all received their share of cheap shots and poor treatment from the public and press as well. We live in a less-kind culture than we used to, but it's a more honest culture too in some ways. We're not so starry-eyed as we used to be, and maybe that's a good thing.

That doesn't mean comments about a person's cleavage or cackle etc. belong in the dialogue. That's dumb behavior, no matter who it's leveled at, even George Bush.

No one should be treated so poorly, Hillary Clinton of course included. Insulting behavior has no place in public discourse. But that's on the fringes, the resort of the small minded and the immature.

The bottom line is, she lost, and she lost fair and square. She deserved to lose, in my opinion. No media calculation or bias sunk her ship: she shot holes in the hull from the very beginning.

I rather think the vote lately in "working white" states is more an angry surge from those picking up on her "victimhood" message as a measure of votes against Obama. Think how much better a campaign this could have been if she'd tirelessly talked about how great she would be for America, instead of all the energy she put into making him look weak, inexperienced, incapable, etc etc etc. She's as responsible as anyone for the direction it took and she's going down kicking and screaming. This is not an attractive trait to all people. Some of us still believe in the right to be treated with decency and civility, though it's harder to find a consistent argument for that in today's world.

And I suggest that those who would vote against Obama in Nov out of spite instead reflect that yes, it hurts to lose, but voting for McCain is a much, much bigger loss for the country, and that's where we need to put our care and concern now...healing America from this long, dark period of fear and anger.

Rose, I appreciate your insight, but I am remain convinced that this primary process has been unique, with several different understanding operating at once. I feel because of her stature that she was permitted to stay in the race longer than most, than many.

I'm also coming to see, as skypix7, that the narrative currently at work about White female voters and the worry that Clinton was somehow hoodwinked out of the presidency is a way for her to continue to communicate with superdelegates.

She is still running. And she is still promulgating or benefiting from a racial argument for why she should be the democratic nominee. Where once it was White, working class voters (rather than working-class voters) it is now White, female voters (rather than female voters). It is divisive strategy and a disappointing one.

Oh Brother. An ongoing perceived resentment. But.....there's been no racism, right?? I think there has been bias against her but she has been the one touting her experience and the media was hard on her initially because of that, in my opinion. I think we are more than ready for a woman president and I would most assuredly vote for a woman. Just not THIS woman.

And I am incredibly disappointed in the type of race she's run. She is far better than this. This tremendously intelligent, talented woman with a stellar civil rights record (at one time anyway) seems to think she has to win at all cost and that all us women will get in behind her to show solidarity, I suppose. I am 45, a lifelong african-american working class woman Democrat. She does not speak for me in any way shape or form.

5un5hin3, she's not really campaigning for the Presidency anymore. In fact, last week she really helped Obama by effectively attacking McCain and Bush, and she hasn't been at all negative since NC and IN. And yes, I know some people will argue that pointing out sexism is being negative, but that's absurd.

And it's a fine line about the "hoodwinked" argument. As a Clinton supporter, it sometimes feels that if we mention sexism we're immediately attacked for claiming that she lost because of sexism. Even when we said nothing like that. In addition, it's really the men in the MSM who have advanced the "women are supporting Clinton because of gender" narrative, and the reason is very obvious: that way they can claim that all the millions of women who are voting for Obama, especially the younger women, don't care about sexism. Of course that's ridiculous. There are many women who are both supporting Obama and appalled by the sexism in this campaign.

I agree that women have been artificially divided by the media in this campaign: Older women are racist, angry feminists who don't care if Clinton is a bad candidate, younger women don't care about sexism, and non-white women don't exist. As a young biracial feminist, I obviously find this very frustrating...

Finally, I sometimes prefer to look at the sexism in this campaign through a different lens. Imagine if Clinton were a truly horrible, inept candidate. Say she was unclear on basic geography, didn't know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid, had decided to not build any kind of ground campaign in either primary or caucus states, and was routinely indecisive and lethargic in debates. The sexism in the media would still be wrong, because the validity of our criticisms about the media's sexism don't depend on Clinton being a perfect candidate.

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مسجات حب -
رسائل حب -
وسائط رومانسيه -
انمي رومنسي -
صور بنوتات جنان -
انمي حزينة رومانسية -
انمي خليجي -
صور انمي -
صور انمي 2008 -
بنات انمي رومنسي

صور ولادة نور -
صور مهند - صور مهند ونور رومنسية  -
نهاية مسلسل نور -صور اليسا - صور لميس
ويحيى - ثيم رومنسي مهند ونور -
العاب أزياء -