McCain's Savannah Press Conference

Excuse me, but that doesn't say what you think it says (Obama's statement is generic, in the sense that there is a need to talk to enemies and adversaries).

You can INFER that Obama would be willing to meet with Ahmadinejad, but it would be just that: an inference.

Didn't Saint Reagan do a few meetings? :-)

Mr Obama, responding to a question from a YouTube user in Monday night's debate, said he would meet without preconditions the leaders of countries with which the US has strained relations - Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/jul/25/digitalmedia.broadcasting

There you go Joe. See it takes an impartial foreign journalist to expose Obama's words. "He would meet without preconditions the leaders of countries with which the uS has strained relations.

How much more proof do you need Joe?

Meeting Ahmadinejad, is not the friggin point. Why are we so wrap around this issue? I can guarantee you one thing, not meeting and talking with the guy isn't going to make us any safer. Attacking everyone we don't like is not going to work and will bankrupt this friggin country and we don't have that friggin many bullets.

We friggin work with people who want to do us harm all the friggin time when its in our interest at the moment. Any way that's my friggin opinion.

Didn't get a chance to follow up to that, but I would have asked, "But isn't it your job to correct those sorts of mistaken impressions on the part of the American public?" Oh well.

Well, you get an "A" for intent, as long as you remember this lazy demagoguery and stop telling us "McCain is/knows better than that". He isn't and he doesn't.

There you go Joe. See it takes an impartial foreign journalist to expose Obama's words. "He would meet without preconditions the leaders of countries with which the uS has strained relations.

Think ya missed the point there, Sparky. You don't get Iranian politics any better than McCain. Fortunately, neither one of you will ever be in charge of our country's foreign policy.

"There you go Joe. See it takes an impartial foreign journalist to expose Obama's words. "He would meet without preconditions the leaders of countries with which the uS has strained relations."

Rusty,

What is your point? Who should we be meeting with? Only the countries that allow us to set up a burger king within their borders? Going to Germany and giving neck rubs? What is the point of having a foreign policy that only has the ability to talk our friends?

Nice work, Joe, thanks for pressing this.

What an appalling answer by McCain. You know, many average Americans thought that Saddam was responsible for 9/11-- because people said or strongly implied it over and over again.

Please don't let him get away with this-- or with trying to change this important debate into a demonization of caricatured bad guys.

(Rusty-- the whole point of this is that the president of Iran doesn't have much power, and close to zero in foreign affairs. That's why prophecies of reform due to Khatami were overblown, as are prophecies of doom today).

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Seems YOU missed the point there Bozo,

Think ya missed the point there, Sparky. You don't get Iranian politics any better than McCain. Fortunately, neither one of you will ever be in charge of our country's foreign policy. Posted by Jim, Foolish Literalist | May 19, 2008 7:15 PM

Not only a "Foolish" Literalist, but someone that can't read either.

A "LEADER" is a leader, whether it is Khamenei or Ahmadinejad.

Never ceases to amaze me that you SNOBamabots will defend even so far as to LIE your way out of it, Obama. Unbelieveable!

Rev Wright / LYING Obama '08, WRONG for AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe - thanks for pursuing this. I appreciate your willingness to hold John McCain to account, particularly when you thought he was going to take the "high road."

Yes Joe, thank you very much for proving that the MSM is yet again filtering and allowing Obama to slide his way under the public radar. You enable this fraud to continue to lie about his record, do NOT hold him accountable all for the sake of crowning him the next President of the United States.

The ability of Obama to continue to fly under the radar of any credible news organization is enabled by so-called journalists like yourself. I WILL write to Time's CEO using this exact blog as an example of blatant opinionated jounalism by people like you Joe who are using the media as a way to distort this election in favor of the liberal agenda.

Joe, good work. And what an absurd answer...

"I WILL write to Time's CEO"

When you do Russell be sure to use lots of CAPS and !!!!

Rusty,

Be sure to sign off on your letter:

"Rev Wright / LYING Obama '08, WRONG for AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1dSPrb5w_k

You can't distort the facts when it is totally captured on video.

America needs integrity, honesty, character and someone with reliable judgment. Not someone who is lying and sliding his way through this election on "hope and change".

Since journalists like Joe Klein will not hold Obama accountable. I will.

Rev Wright / Obama '08, WRONG for AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the nod Joe, however, I would have liked it if you had put a link to one of the articles so that readers could make their own determination.

1) With a question like 'do you think it is a contradiction to not invite him to a university, but you would sit down with him' I think it is a bit more than inference that he would sit down with him. It is completely different than sit down with the 'leaders' comment from the debate.

2) Many are saying that Bush made a hit job on Obama and never mentioned his name, with that as a backdrop, I would say that Obama's quote above is much more conclusive.

3) If you say that this is taken out of context, then you should point out that Obama is exaggerating McCain's 100 year statement. If you say that it isn't taken out of context then why does no Democrat ever add his following paragraph?

Thanks Joe!

A "LEADER" is a leader, whether it is Khamenei or Ahmadinejad.

Nope. The leader of Iraq, as Joe Klein as noted over and over, is Ali Khamenei. Saying otherwise is at best, wrong, and at worse, a lie.

I mean, a LIE!!!!!!!!!

"He said that Ahmadinejad is the guy who represents Iran in international forums like the United Nations"

Is this truly a fair point? During the Cuban Missle Crisis, did the USSR demand to talk to Adlai Stevenson? Seriously, if John McCain can't tell who's leading the country he wants to attack, or the difference between Sunni and Shiites in the country he wants to colonize, I wonder how anyone can take him seriously.

When I followed with the observation that the Supreme Leader is, uh, the Supreme Leader, McCain responded that the "average American" thinks Ahmadinejad is the boss.

The secret to McCain's strategy revealed: John McCain thinks the American public are a bunch of rubes and he intends on playing them for rubes. No wonder he kisses up to the BBQ gang so that they won't call him on his nonsense.

Good work, Joe. Keep at it.

I WILL write to Time's CEO

They throw out all the letters that are written in crayon, you know.

"Since journalists like Joe Klein will not hold Obama accountable. I will."

Rustydog paced in his room, his chiseled face a mask of frustration. He hit the wall in frustration again, his powerful fists leaving a sizable dent. The damned MSM was being biased again. Joe Klein, MSNBC, Time - they were all in on it, and nobody seemed willing to stop them.

"No," he muttered, his look of frustration giving way to determination.

"Somebody has to stop him," he continued as he put on his camouflaged pants and combat boots. Images of an Obama presidency flashed through his mind: terrorists, negotiations, rap music.

"And if Joe Klein won't..." he said, cocking his pistol with a loud clack "...I will."

> America needs integrity, honesty, character and someone with reliable judgment. Not someone who is lying

Then we can't vote for McCain, can we?

Hey, Rusty, I missed you over at the thread talking about McCain's campaign. I figured you, of all people, would be there to defend Saint John, the Flip-Flop.

> Rustydog paced in his room, his chiseled face a mask of frustration.

Bzzt. Fail. Rusty can't pace in his room; his bomb shelter is only big enough for the bare necessities he's stocked for when the "big one" hits, which he's sure will be any day, now, because the Repugs keep telling him that.

(Actually, I thought your prose was pretty good. Kind-of like a "Tracer Bullett" story.)

"Rustydog paced in his mom's basement, his chiseled face a mask of frustration."

Fixed.

> I WILL write to Time's CEO using this exact blog as an example of blatant opinionated jounalism by people like you Joe who are using the media as a way to distort this election in favor of the liberal agenda.

Be sure to complain about Jay Carney, Jay Newton-Small and Michael "It's not really so cramped under McCain's Desk" Scherer for their conservative agenda.

I think Obama's responses are a LOT clearer, and are more consistent, than McCains' '2013'.

Thanks, Joe.

The debates are going to be very interesting, one way or another.

I love reading these posts from all the libtard Joe followers. I thought Democrats were the party of tolerance. You all look like horse toothed jackasses attacking Rusty for having a different view than yours. Obviously libtards can't debate the facts or respond intelligently to Rusty's posts..so they just name call.

Libtards IS name-callers!!!!

Thank God someone's out there asking this question. And again, as someone who feels it is absolutely imperative we win the White House, I'm glad you're holding Obama's feet to the fire on this as well. This is what a functional press corps does -- it keeps our leaders in checks for OUR benefit. Obama and McCain SHOULD debate what their positions actually are (McCain's answer was about the most cynical I've seen - we've duped the public, so it's okay to dupe them.)

Obama and McCain operate within political realities, and you are operating in reality - as journalist. Now, because of the work you're doing, the heat is on Obama to take a firm position, and on McCain to stop lying, and have the DEBATE.

This is what gets me about Social Security. Republicans believe it shouldn't exist, put couch things as "reform" when they wouldn't push a plan that wouldn't undo SS. They ought to be honest and debate that rather than throwing up smoke. We ought to have the debate: SHOULD government provide retirement, or not? A good reporter pins them down.

You are pushing our politicians towards, rather than away from reality. You're working them for us, rather than for them.

Why isn't everyone doing this?

Does James Baker III talking to Syria count?

Or does Baker encouraging direct diplomacy, talking with our enemies, on an appearance on Hannity and Colmes in October 2006, count?

And does Baker saying on the Hannity appearance that he does not consider talking to our enemies "appeasement", put a crack in the unifed Republican position on this matter?

And specifically, does Baker pointing out that "we" spoke to Syria, then on the list of state-sponsored terrorists at the time, fifteen times, and you know what, on the sixteenth time, Syria agreed to talk to, and thereby recognize, Israel--is this going to put a crimp in McCain's opinion, should Joe Klein happen to show him the video on the Straight Talk Express?

I also wonder if Joe Klein will point out that encouraging the American people to view Ahmedinejad as having powers that he does not have, in order to make political points, might be a wee bit troublesome?

"The ability of Obama to continue to fly under the radar of any credible news organization is enabled by so-called journalists like yourself. I WILL write to Time's CEO using this exact blog as an example of blatant opinionated jounalism by people like you Joe who are using the media as a way to distort this election in favor of the liberal agenda."

Pfffft, whatever.

By the way, how did that letter to McCain's campaign about some of his less-than-honest campaign tactics go?

Joe: You're making too much of an issue over the Ahmedinejad/Khameini thing now. We get it.

Maybe before we all start composing lists of who we're going to meet with, and who is "right out," we ought to see who's actually in power (and more, important, HAS power) when we're sworn in. We might even want to consult with our cabinet and review classified intelligence before shootin' our blame mouth off. (But, hey, don't let me rain on the demagoguery, McLame.)

The larger issue is the real issue, Joe. And the proper frame for it is: "When did we decide that a coherent foreign policy and diplomacy were for big-L LOOZERS?"

I'll give you a hint at the answer: when we elected a doofus with: (1) no sense of history and (2) no ability to communicate with other world leaders without embarassing the nation. Into the vacuum stepped a venal, hardly-human Daniel Plainview, who distorted the United States' economy, and its social priorities, in service to a hypercapitalistic, dystopian vision. And here we is!

How dare you get your face in my buckshot, Mister!

It doesn't matter how intelligently you respond to Rusty's rants - and, yes, they are rants - and how many facts you lay out in front of him, and his ilk. They ignore what they don't like, twist what they can, and present a reality that very few of us recognize, much less want to live in.

For example, you get a strong hint that Rusty's ideal America is an exclusively white man's paradise. That ain't reality, but don't bother trying to point it out to him; you're just a "libtard" trying to "give away America." Additionaly, Rusty's trusty approach to solving every foreign dispute is to invade and enslave. Hitler was kind of like that, too.

People like this can't be allowed to spout their ignorance unchallenged.

I don't apologize for name calling now and then. That would imply that we have rules governing civil discourse and such. If we were civil beings, that might be the case. But we're not, so we don't. Suck. On. This.

Maybe Obama wants to meet with him so he can shoot him in the face.

Anything less would be appeasment.

Rather quietly, since I am delighted to see you continuing to challenge McCain, I'd like to point out:

"But isn't it your job to correct those sorts of mistaken impressions on the part of the American public?"

"I thought Democrats were the party of tolerance"
Posted by jimmyjamz | May 19, 2008 10:07 PM

Does that whine work on any Democrat anymore?

I love how jimmy rags on us for name-calling in the sentence right after he calls us "horse toothed jackasses."

BTW, I think horse's teeth on a jackass could be quite fetching. Are true jackass teeth less attractive? (Less fun to French, jammy?)

"Horse tooth jackass" is a Stern Babba Booey (sp?) reference.

Oh! I lost him when he went to satellite. :(

I loved him in the late 80's, he was at the top of his game. Never was there a sonic experience like that.

Stern's hit and miss these days.
Can't complain about the one, brief couple of minutes, commercial break every hour or so!

http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/video_player/index/php/955866.phtml

You need to get the Doofus Letterman transcript with Webb tonight and indicate that Webb said and corrected NOTHING when Letterman stupidly claimed that 600,000 Iraqis have died since the 2003 invasion.

Among other BS from CBS tonight.

Joe, you are a Great Man and this is a great post about the Great Man that you are.

Enjoy your cigarette...

75,000 attend a political rally in Oregon!

Meanwhile the media types are feverishly digging up what Sen Obama ever said in his life about 'negotiating' with Kruschev, Kim Jong-il, Mao, Khaddafi .. as well as those snorty terrorists_in_sleeper_cells, the French!

[Reminds one of the Hillaryland functionaries trying to unearth Barack's unbecoming ambition for the presidency in his kindergarten scribblings! AMAZING! Warn your kids against writing essays - or take the fifth when asked to do it!]

[Hey, don't negotiate anything with Hillary - as if a new argument is going to convince her that she is a loser! Do Not - without pre-conditions: She must give up ALL her claims and fuzzy math first.]

====Tale of geezers losing bearings
"We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history .." - Pres George Bush to Israel's parliament.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/37166.html
===History to the history-challenged Bushy and McBushy:
"But if there is anything that has been discredited by history, it is the argument that every enemy is Hitler, that negotiations constitute appeasement, and that talking will automatically lead to a slaughter of Holocaust-like proportions. It is an argument that conservatives made throughout the Cold War, and, if the charge seemed overblown at the time, it seems positively ludicrous with the clarity of hindsight."
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-scoblic17-2008may17,0,6293795.story
==== duplicity in criticizing diplomacy
"Consider that at the very time Mr. Bush was speaking to the Knesset, his Special Advisor to Sudan, Richard Williamson, was to travel to Geneva for normalization discussions with the Sudanese government, a regime that has been accused of genocide in Darfur and of acting as a state sponsor of terrorism.
The President did not seem to grasp the inconsistency of criticizing diplomacy while sending his envoy to meet with the (horrible, terrorist) Sudanese with the intent to end the Darfur genocide through diplomacy."
http://www.losangeleschronicle.com/articles/62122

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Quiz: What did McSame say today?
Answer: Easy: A contradiction to what he said yesterday.
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ZOMG

He's actually going there.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/985285.html

McCain blasts Obama for saying Iran poses lesser threat than Soviets

That Rustydog guy writes some INTERESTING COMMENTS!!!!
Why do so many people MAKE FUN OF HIM????
I like obamish and QUESTION HILLARY too, but they don't have Rustydog's UNIQUE PROSE STYLE!!!!!

Rusty- Thank you for your link to the Guardian. I am happy to see evidence of Obama's willingness to negotiate with adversarial countries. Direct talks will certainly have a more positive effect than belligerence, posturing and demonization (the last 8 years are a testament to that). We should also note that Adm. Mullen, Gates, C. Rice, and the Iraq Study Group recognize the potential value of negotiation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403553.html. Even McCain seemed to realize this http://www.juancole.com/2008/05/sunday-blogivision-mccain-calls-for.html. It's too bad that he wavered (in an apparent effort to appease to the Repub base).

I hope that the next president will not squander our leverage (in terms of the military and economic pressures) by refusing to talk to "the bad guys". I am also hopeful that Obama will have an opportunity to sit with Ahmadinejad, and more importantly, with Khamenei. The same for Hamas (I like peace and cooperation over war and terror). Not only will these talks be more effective (tough to imagine it otherwise), but it will cost less and there will be far fewer dead people.

Joe Klein - You wrote: "But isn't it your job to correct those sorts of mistaken impressions on the part of the American public?"

Actually, no it is not John McCain's job to correct mistaken impressions - it is your job to correct mistaken impressions on the part of the American public and to hold accountable those people that would generate, spread and reinforce them.

John McCain is spreading a lie. Barack Obama said that he would meet with the leaders of Iran and he gave a very reasonable justification for doing so. John McCain is claiming that Barack Obama would meet with 'terrorists' and is making that claim in order to lead people to believe that Obama would surrender to their demands. Let me make that last part clear:

John McCain is claiming that Barack Obama would surrender this nation to terrorists.

Now, here is my fear. You, Joe Klein, if you decide to write about this in the print version of Time at all, are going to turn this into another split-the-baby, pox-on-both-their-houses diatribe about how nobody is engaging in the actual debate of whether we directly engage our adversaries. You would be incorrect. The actual story is how the GOP demagogues issues like this in a determined and too-often successful effort to generate fear, uncertainty and doubt in the minds of United States citizens. And they get away with it because every time non-conservative pundits criticize them for it those pundits feel the need to 'balance' their article with a criticism of the Democrats.

It really is more simple than you make it. Sometimes the GOP is wrong because the GOP is wrong.

Re: Appeasement

Re: Appeasement and further low blows:

From "Head of State"

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/hot-bush-injection-brief-history-of.html

Monday, May 19, 2008

Hot Bush "Injection": A Brief History of Appeasement

It was this morning, while on the elliptical machine, that I heard the 20th (when I began counting) reference to Bush having "injected" foreign policy, via his raising of "appeasement" before the Knesset, into the Democratic campaign debate.

Aside from the face that a Bush injection would likely require more investigation from the FDA and CDC than vaccinations laced with 50% thimerosal, the discussion, which has shown surprising legs, has revealed a remarkable lack of basic knowledge about the distinctions between negotiation (e.g. Nixon's intervention with, at the time a rogue Chinese state, which largely prevented conflict and helped to usher China into the family of nations; ) and appeasement--ranging from the Kevin James school of international policy negotiation through utter lack of knowledge to more informed but still significantly incomplete or incorrect understandings of appeasement as it has been used in this context.

Therefore, I provide you with brief, fully accurate history of the "appeasement" that has been raised in these debates, so that those who wish to use actual fact in advancing their arguments can do so (For those who wish to continue to rely on insinuation, distortion, or the ritual, repetitive, seemingly talismanic use of the cry "He's an appeaser! You know! Like Munich! Like Chamberlain!" without knowing what this actually means. Please proceed to Remedial History, room 101B. No gum).

The Munich Agreement:

The Brief Pre-History of Munich:

Hitler, levered into power in January of 1933 (ironically after their first significant national election outcome decrease in 1932, after which they very well may have faded into their earlier insignificance) through the dramatic miscalculations of former Chancellor Von Papen (who, in his proposed role as Vice-Chancellor, hoped to be the "power behind the throne", and to return to the Chancellorship) and prominent Nationalist Alfred Hugenberg, among others to isolate and co-opt Hitler in a cabinet of Conservative Nationalists ("We've hired him"--Von Papen; "We've boxed him in"-Hugenberg), who persuaded the reluctant, aging President Hindenberg to accept this agreement, soon gained primacy and control over the cabinet, government, and increasingly the nation, through a series of questionable legislative (e.g. "The Enabling Act") and viciously revolutionary and counter-revolutionary (i.e., the elimination of other political parties, the Rohm Purge, brutal and cynical anti-Semitic actions by the SA, the Gleischaltung or "Coordination" of virtually all German organizations and press in 1934) actions.

After gaining such control, and with an autarkic economy that, from the start, invested huge sums in rearmament, Hitler brought the German military into coordination as well, under the aegis of the compliant General Blomberg, and with a shared mission of challenging the restraints placed upon German armament under the Versailles Treaty which followed World War I (Hitler's railing against this treaty had been a key element in the rise of the Nazis to power, particularly in the most dire economic phases of the Weimar Republic). In a series of shocking and escalating violations of this treaty, Germany announced the reestablishment of the German Air Force (1935), the reoccupation of the Rhineland (1936) and the Anschluss of Austria (1937), Hitler began an express drive for expansion conveyed as a correction of the Versailles Treaty, but in fact a clearly stated intent to increase the "living space" (Lebensraum) of Germany, and to attain hegemony in Europe (and, eventually, beyond).

In 1938, under the pretext of incorporating the Sudeten Germans who lived in Czechoslovakia (and utilizing Czech Nazi sympathizers to provoke manufactured "incidents" among this group), Hitler continued this expansionist drive by threatening, beginning in the famous "Weekend Crisis" of May 20-22, 1938, to attack Czechoslovakia on behalf of the Sudetens. Months of anti-Czech propaganda created by the Goebbels-controlled ministry continued through June, July and August. Following a vicious tirade at the conclusion of the Party Congress against the Czechs on Sept. 12, threatening action if the "issues" regarding the Sudetenland were not resolved. This provoked a wave of fear and disturbance across France and the Sudetenland.

As a result, on September 15, Neville Chamberlain flew to Munich to meet with Hitler. Hitler, in this first meeting, presented Chamberlain with an apparent fait accompli, stating that he would settle the matter himself "one way or another", clearly implying force. Chamberlain met this with the remark that under such conditions, there was no further point in talking--after which, Hitler tactically receded and stated that if the question of incorporation of the Sudetenland was open, discussions should continue. Hitler's ultimate goal here was to use the tactic of Sudeten independence to force Czechoslovakia to cede the Sudeten potion of its nation to Germany, claiming that "we want to Czechs"--e.g., the remaining part of the country--and that without such an incorporation, he would attack--thus unleashing the protective guarantees of France to Czechoslovakia, and thereby, a second World War.

Under such pressure, France and Britain placed weight on Czechoslovakia to cede the Sudetenland. Hitler, Mussolini, Chamberlain and Daladier (the French premier) provided the basis for the Munich Agreement--which indeed carved off the Sudetenland, leading to Chamberlain's notorious statement of "peace in our time"--set along side Goebbels statement that "We have achieved everything we wanted according to the small plan, while the big plan is...for the moment, not realizable".

Hitler, in fact, intended to incorporate the rest of Czechoslovakia--and was described as disappointed that the agreement had denied him the opportunity for a war against the Czechs that would allow him this full territorial conquest in a single step. In March of 1939, following a similar propaganda barrage regarding Slovakian nationalist independence, Hitler threatened Czech President Benes with invasion, should he not cede the rest of the nation. Under such threat, Benes collapsed, and the Germans seized the remaining portion of Czechoslovakia without resistance.

Ironically, these constant risk-all gambits led Hitler to his fatal mistake--the conquest of Poland, which, although "victorious", led Britain, France, and ultimately the USA to enter the fight against Germany, and Germany to seek to end the battle against these enemies by removing their most likely ally--the Soviet Union--a combined two front battle which led to the downfall of Nazi Germany.

This was appeasement.

The appeasement here was agreeing to give away Czechoslovakia--carving it into sections, and giving the section, and eventually the nation, away. It was shameful--and wrong.

Negotiation: Talking To Leaders

Despite the endless rhetoric of the past week, negotiation is not appeasement.

Two of many examples:

Nixon's Rapprochement With China:

Despite the well-known failings of the Nixon Presidency, Nixon's engagement with China remains a signal achievement. Note that Nixon, throughout his career, was an ardent fighter of Communism. Thus, we might have fully expected him to take the "negotiation is weakness" position with a country that, at the time, was regarded as a rogue nation in the West.

Nevertheless, this fervent anti-Communist chose to negotiate--a marked change from previous U.S. policy--and continued to do so even as highly inflammatory border attacks occurred between China and the Soviet Union in 1969, stating that "We simply cannot afford to leave China outside the family of nations." (a statement that would likely draw errant fire of commentators from the Right if it were uttered today). With a persistent diplomacy through 1969-1972, culminating in a meeting with Chou en Lai, these negotiations led to a dramatic thawing of relations with both China and the Soviet Union--where, in meetings with Leonid Brezhnev, an anti-ballistic missile treaty, a trade agreement worth a billion dollars, and a SALT treaty were signed.

Here, talk--negotiation--decried as weakness this past week--and at the time of these negotiations--led to success.

Reagan and Gorbachev

Reagan, of course, was noted for referring to the Soviet Union as the "Evil Empire."

Despite this stance, he too was willing to negotiate with Gorbachev in the interests of nuclear disarmament--and despite the objections of many on the Right, whose statements at the time regarding the weakness of negotiation could be easily grafted onto the present debates.

As we know, Reagan's meetings, according to Alan Greenspan, "started the sequence of geopolitical initiatives that led Mr. Gorbachev to figuratively tear down the Berlin Wall", and contributed to the break up of the Soviet Union.

Many from the right called for aggressive military action--for missiles first, rather than negotiation


.
Talk--negotiation--led to success.

Note that in each case, the President talked with a leader who they regarded as hostile--in the face of those who argued then, as they do now, that talking-- negotiation--signifies weakness.

In each case, talking--strong, informed negotiation--did not result in appeasement of the aggressor, but instead resulted in the desired outcome--in one case, the component breakup of the aggressor nation--in another the end of a threat of nuclear conflict--without a single loss of life.

Negotiation is not appeasement.

When negotiation is chosen, however, it will be the case that those who simply wished for the visceral strike--the simplistic first solution of subduing an enemy through the use of might--will not find its satisfaction. We have seen the results of this position, throughout the years--from the events recounted in the first section, to the present.

Perhaps, in negotiation, it is *they* who have been appeased.

If so, given history--this was a favorable outcome indeed.

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/hot-bush-injection-brief-history-of.html

Rustydog: standing tall against the appeasement of proper punctuation. NEVER AGAIN.

Robert Hewson - Bravo!

Truly excellent post.

Some people just don't get it. You know - the meaning of "no". That it's over. We never had much of a relationship - so stop clinging. But McLame doesn't get it. We had but a brief fling back in the old days. Before the Straight Talk Express turned into the Flip-Flop Depress. It's over Mac. Get it? Here, read my "Dear John" - maybe that will help. http://angryafrican.net/2008/05/20/dear-john/

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يوتيوب - -
مقاطع يوتيوب - -
فديو يوتيوب - -
فيديو يوتيوب - -
افلام - -
موقع يوتيوب - -
youtube.com - -
يوتيوب عربي - -
منتديات - -
مسنجر - -
مدونة - -
العاب بنات - -
العاب باربي - -
Mzaeen’s Weblog - -
يوتيوب - فيديو - بلوتوث - -
تحميل افلام - -
تحميل افلام
تحميل افلام
افلام
افلام
مشاهده افلام
تحميل افلام - مشاهده افلام
افلام - تحميل افلام - مشاهده افلام
مركز تحميل - -
تحميل - -
تحميل صور - -
تحميل ملفات - -
مركز التحميل - -
صور - -
العاب لعب العب - -
لعب - -
العاب - -
لعب العب - -
hguf - -
العب - -
منتديات برامج نت - 70 - ثيمات -
خلفيات - العاب الجوال - ثيم رومنسي مهند ونور -
ثيم مهند وهو حاضن نور - ثيمات رومانسية للبنوتات -
ثيمات رومانسية بنات - ثيمات حب حلوة -
ثيم مهند التركي - ثيم نور -
ثيم حب نور ومهند - ثيم مسلسل لوست -
ثيمات افلام ومشاهير - ثيم نور ومهند -ثيمات لميس -
ثيمات مسلسل نور -ثيم مهند ونور -
ثيمات رومانسيه -ثيمات E61 -
ثيمات بنات رومنسيه -ثيم سنوات الضياع -
ثيمات طبيعية -ثيمات N92 -
ثيمات للبنات2008 -ثيمات N95 -
ثيمات نوكيا -ثيمات n80 -ثيمات n93 -
ثيمات اطفال -ثيمات منوعة -تصميم ثيمات -
ثيمات بنات -ثيمات طبيعة -ثيمات كرتون -
ثيمات بنات N73 -العاب نوكيا -
ثيمات رومنسية نوكيا - ثيمات الجيل الثالث -
23 - 23-p-3 - 23-p-6 -
نغمات -برامج نوكيا -برامج جوال -
برامج نوكيا N73 -نغمات -
برامج الجيل الثالث -العاب جوال -العاب نوكيا -
ثيمات2008 -نوكيا n95 -
نغمات ماجد المهندس -ماسنجر8 للجوال -الحارس الذكي n73 -نغمات عربي -نغمات MP3 -ماسنجر للجوال -65 - 65-p-3 -
65-p-5 -65-p-7 -رسائل جوال -مسجات -
رسايل وسائط -sms -
مسجات نصية -وسائط Mms -
صور وسائط -وسائط رومنسية -صور رومانسيه -
وسائط رومانسيه -مسجات شوق -وسائط بنات -رسائل حب -
وسائط حب -رسائل غرام -
وسائط حب رومانسية -وسائط شوق -وسائط حب وعشق -
وسائط حلوة -مسجات عتاب -
رسائل عتاب -مسجات نور ومهند -
مسجات وسائط -مسجات رومانسية -
وسائط حب رومانسية -مسجات اسلامية -
مسجات حب وغرام -رسائل غرام -
رسائل حب -مسجات حب -mms -وسائط ررومنسية روعة -رسائل مقالب -رسايل جديده -وسائط mms منوعة -
مسجات رومنسية -رسائل جوال -مسجات شعرية -وسائط دينية -مسجات استهبال -
مسجات حلوه -جميلات العرب -اليسا -
صور طبيعية -صور قلوب -
صور رومنسية -بلوتوث مزايين -
البوم صور مزايين - صور ماسنجر -
وسائط - صور حب -صور بنات -
صور بنات للمسن - العاب مكياج و ميك اب -
العاب ازياء - العاب مغامرات -
العاب بنات - العاب تلبيس بنات - العاب باربي -
العاب بلياردو - العب - العاب -

طرب وفن -طرب -فن -
10 -10-p-4 -
10-p-7 -10-p-13 -
10-p-10 -10-p-15 -10-p-20 -10-p-25 -
10-p-26 -فيديو كليب -فيديو كليب عربي -
فيديو كليب انجليزي -جميلات الهند -جميلات الاجانب -
صورة ميريام فارس -صوره شيماء علي -صور من كليب مهند ورولا -
فضايح مهند -فضائح -فضيحة مهند بطل مسلسل نور -صور نور -
صور منزل نور -صور ولادة نور في مسلسل نور التركي -
نجمة مسلسل نور التركي -صور Beren Saat خطيبة يحيى -صور يحيى -مهند شاذ -
اغاني سنوات الضياع -صور مهند ونور رومنسية -صور رومانسية نور ومهند -
صور مهند بطل مسلسل نور التركي -نهاية مسلسل نور -صور اليسا -
فيديو كليب تامر حسني - هي دي -العروسة فيديو كليب ماجد 2008 -صور فاردن وكارينا -
صور مي عز الدين 2008 -نيشان مقدم العراب -صور لميس -
صور لميس ويحيى -لحن اغنيه مسلسل سنوات الضياع -نؤاس اموري ياشمعتي -
صور بنت سعودية -صور اميشا -نجمة بوليوود -
صور لميس بطلة مسلسل سنوات الضياع -صور لميس نجمة سنوات الضياع -
سنوات الضياع -صور مهند بطل مسلسل نور -
يارا صدفة -تحبني ولا تحب الدراهم -
فضايح استار اكاديمي -هيفاء وهبي -
صور كاميرون دياز -احلام في العراب - البوم راشد و أحبابه -دومينك حوري الخاشوقة -
نانسي عجرم -فستان اليسا -
مركز تحميل - تحميل مفات -
تحميلت صور - تحميل -
صور - صور مضحكة -
باسكال مشعلاني -نانسي عجرم -
الين خلف -امل حجازي -
ديانا حداد -دارين حدشيتي -
ماري جوزي حنين -صور ديانا كرزون -
اريام -جميلات العرب -
مريام فارس -صور برق ورعد -
اليسا - صور طبيعية -
صور قلوب - صور رومنسية -
صور ماسنجر -وسائط -

صور بنات -صور بنات للمسن -
صور اشجار - صور حب -
صور شواطىء و بحار - صور سحـاب وغيوم -
صور أطفال - صور حيوانات -
صور إسلامية - صور منوعة -
صور خيول - صور متحركة -
صور رجالية للتصاميم - صور نسائية للتصاميم -
صور اطفال للتصاميم - صور شلالات وانهار -
صور قلوب - صور منوعة للتصاميم -
صور من تصويرك - صور وسائط MMS -
صور مرعبة - صور الأنمي -
صور رومنسية - صور دببة -
صور هدايا - صور سيارات -
صور خلفيات - صور ورد و زهور -
وسائط - صور شموع -
جميلات الاجانب - صور مسن كرتونية -
جوجو - اشلي سيمبسون -
هيلاري دوف - افرل لوفين -
جيسيكا البا - جورج كلوني -
جينيفر لوبيز - جينيفر آنستون - كرستينا اغوليرا -
ساندار بولوك - جوليا روبرتس -
آنجلينا جولي - تاركان -
برادبيت - توم كروز -
كيانو ريفز - مارك ولبرغ -
ريكي مارتن - انريكي ايجلاسيز -
جميلات الهند - صور حزينة -
صور الكاركتير - صور رجالية للتصاميم -
صور احترافية للتصاميم - صور تصاميم -
صور تصاميم وتواقيع - صور ماسنجر -
صور قلوب للمسن -صور مسن كتابية -
منوعات ماسنجر -صور مناسبات واسلاميات للمسن -
صور ايدي وارجل للمسن -صور اطفال مسن -
صور فنانين للماسنجر -صور بنات للمسن -
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المنتدى العام مواضيع ساخنة ومثيرة ترجمة
ازياء موضة فساتين
مكياج ميك اب اكسسوارات ديكور غرف نوم
اثاث طبخ مطبخ حلويات اكلات معجنات تغذية صحة طب
شعر قصايد خواطر عذب الكلام
قصص روايات طرب رجة مسابقات صرقعة صور بلوتوث و مقاطع فيديو بلوتوث العاب فلاش صور انمي افلام انمي عدسة التصوير
افلام عربية و مسلسلات مسلسلات اجنبية تلفزيونية افلام عربية و افلام اجنبية و مسلسلات تلفزيونية برامج كمبيوتر فوتوشوب ثيمات - العاب الجوال - خلفيات برامج نوكيا - نغمات - برامج جوال رسائل جوال - مسجات - رسايل وسائط - sms مسنجر - برامج ماسنجر - توبيكات دروس التصميم
ملحقات التصميم
بلوتوث
-
برامج نوكيا -كورة -صور -
مسنجر - طرب -
العاب -
قصص - مكياج - موضة
- ديكور
- وسائط
- برامج
-افلام -
مقاطع فيديو -
مواضيع ساخنة -ثيمات
جوال -نغمات -
افلام انمي -خواطر -
العاب جوال -افلام
عربية -ازياء - صور
انمي -
سياحة -مسلسلات اجنبية -
شعر -اناشيد -
توبيكات -رسائل
جوال -تصاميم
شات
شات الرياض
بنت حواء
بنت نجد
عروسة
عروس
العاب شمس
صور رومنسيه
صور جميلة
احلى رومانسيه
منتديات بيت حواء -
ازياء - -فساتين زفاف 2008 -
موضة -فساتين -
6 -6-p-4 -6-p-9 -6-p-12 -أجمل فساتين -
فساتين بنات -فساتين ناعمة -
بيجامات ناعمه -فساتين قصيرة -
قمصان نومفساتين -
ملابس ناعمه -بجامات بنوتات -
فستان زفاف -ملابس اطفال -أكسسوارات -
ملابس 2008 -أزياء صيفية -فساتين -موضة 2009 -
أزياء بنات حلوة 2008 -موضة 2008 -
كولكشن صيفي -فساتين سهرة 2008 -فساتين زفاف 2008 -
موديلات فساتين -فساتين سهرة 2008 -
فساتين روعة 2008 -شورتات -
ديور -عروس -أزياء بنوتيه -ازياء -
فساتين السهرة -قمصان النوم -بلايز -
ازياء خطيره -ازياء نواعم -
أزياء للحوامل -أزياء حوامل -
اكسسوارات -ميك اب -
مكياج -72 -72-p-3 -72-p-5 -
72-p-7 -72-p-9 -
قصات شعر 2008 -مكياج ناعم -صور سلاسل -
مكياج -MaKe Up -
تسريحه روعه -العروس -
دبل الخطوبة -ساعات -
نقوش حنه -صور مكياج -
مكياج بنات ناعم -احلى التسريحات -
احلى القصات -اسرار العطور -
صور ميك اب -صور مكياج -
ميك اب روعه -صيف 2008 -
ميك اب -صور تسريحات 2008 -
تسريحات شعر قصير -تسرحيات شعر طويل -
تسريحات وقصات شعر -تسريحات شعر -قصات شعر -
شنط ماركات -صور مكياج -
تسريحات 2008 -صور احلى مكياج -
مكياج عروس 2008 -أحزمة بنات -
بطاقات زواج -ميك اب ناعم -
مكياج للبنات 2008 -مكياج للبنات -احلى مكياج بنات -
مكياج بنات -ميك اب 2008 -
تسريحة العروس -تسريحات شعر -تسريحات عرايس -
احدث القصات -صبغات 2008 -نضارات شمسيه -
تسريحات -مناكير -
اكسسوارات للبنوتات -احذية كريستيان -
احذية ديور Dior -سلاسل قلوب -
ديكور -غرف نوم -اثاث -
73 --73-p-3 --73-p-5 -
غرف نوم -غرف نوم بنوتيه -ديكورات -غرف نوم وردي -اكسسوار حائط -ورق جدران -
كوشات عروسه -ديكورات ماء -
مطابخ روعة -عالم البنوتات -
عالم البنات -ديكورات روعه -
غرف اطفال -مسابح -مكاتب وجلسات -مغاسل منزليه -
مخدات رومنسية -مغاسل حمام -
مخدات -صور ديكورات مطابخ -
ديكورات مطابخ 2008 -احلى ديكورات مطابخ -
ديكورات حمامات -اثاث 2008 -صور فلل -
ديكورات صالة -قصور واثاث -
معجنات -حلويات -اكلات -مطبخ -
طبخ -38 -
38-p-6 -38-p-9 -38-p-12 -38-p-3 -
38-p-14 -صور حلى -
صور حلويات -عمل بوفيه -
حلويات الجلكسي -حلا جالكسي بالصور -
حلى وحلويات -صور كيك -
صور تورتة - حلويات -اعشاب -
تغذية -رجيم -
طب -صحة -
71 -71-p-5 -
71-p-3 -71-p-7 -
التدليك -المساج -
جميلات العرب -اليسا - -
صور طبيعية -صور قلوب - -
صور رومنسية -بلوتوث مزايين - -البوم صور مزايين - -
صور ماسنجر -وسائط - -
صور حب -
صور بنات -صور بنات للمسن - -
العاب مكياج و ميك اب - -العاب ازياء - -العاب مغامرات - -
العاب بنات - -العاب تلبيس بنات - -العاب باربي - -
العاب بلياردو - -العب - -العاب -

العاب - -العاب فلاش - -66 - -
العاب بنات - -العاب أزياء - -
العاب مكياج - -العاب ميك اب - -
العاب باربي للبنات - - العاب باربي - -
العاب تلبيس - - العاب بنات - -
مكياج ملكة - العاب مكياج - -العاب اميرة - مكياج وميك - -
مكياج باربي كين - العاب - -لعبة مكياج الأميرات العاب - -
مكياج الفتيات العاب - -لعبة كاونتر سترايك -
لعبة مكياج فتاة جميلة -مكياج الورود لعبة مكياج - -
العاب أزياء - العاب بنات -العاب مكياج و ميك اب العاب لعب جديدة وحصرية - -
لعبة سوبر ماريو - -دراجون بول للتحميل لعبة - -
العاب باربي - العاب باربي - -لعبة حرامي السيارات - لعبة GTA - San Andreas - -
تلبيس الجاسوسات الثلاث -العاب بنات - العاب تلبيس -
لعبة تسديد على الزجاجه - -لعبة Medal Of Honor لعبة اتارى العاب فلاش -لعبة الدودة العاب فلاش -
لعبة بلياردو حديثة -لعبة توصيل الطماطم -
ميك اب و اكسسوارات للبنات -لعبة ميك اب متنوع -
ملابس المهنة لعبة للبنات - -لعبة تنس المضرب - -
لعب : ميك اب فتيات - -مكياج شتوي لعبة بالفلاش - -ترتيب غرفة في المنزل -
لعبة اكس او x-o - -لعبة الرجل الطائر -لعبة توم و جيري العاب -
البيت المرعب الفلاشية -تصوير الفنانات لعبة - -صندوق الكنز لعبة فلاشية -
لعبة روليت كازينو -لعبة الصبر - -فري سل لعبة الذكاء -
لعبة بلوت سوليتير -لعبة تركيب القطة بوسى -لعبة كرة قدم فلاشية -لعبة الرجل الأخضرالفلاشية - -لعبة الطائرة المجنونة -
لعبة دهس الناس بالسيارات -لعبة الشبح والاشباح -
لعبة تعليم الطبخ - -لعبة مكياج للبنات -
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