Disappointing Column

David Brooks is a duplicitous concern troll.

The reason that he is so effective in altering people's minds is that he is such a flinchy nebbish that nobody perceives him to be a threat.

In fact, it is impossible to say just what sort of situation the next President will face until the Bush cancer is excised from the White House and a new team begins to explore the middle east for the diplomatic possibilities that may well have been ignored, quashed and generally stomped on by this sad, overmatched Administration.

Well said, Joe.

Joe:
Why don't you point out that John McBush wants to continue these boneheaded policies?

I think Brooks is generally awful, but he actually has had some good columns recently. The thing is this: I suspect the good columns are just a set-up for him to go whacko (as he does here). I really think that the guy's a clown at the end of the day.

Thanks for calling him out on this nonsense, Joe. You're correct.

Joe:
How about calling John McBush out for his use of Petraeus in a campaign fund raising flyer?

"until the Bush cancer is excised from the White House"

Thank you.

It would be less 'disappointing' if you had a more realistic assessment of David Brooks in the first place. I know that the two of you are often attacked from the same quarters ( and occasionally for similar reasons) so you're more likely to be sympathetic than we DFH's but Brooks does have a reather long record of hackery....

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/opinion/17brooks.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

http://www.progressive.org/blogressive_brooks102306

As one prominent Republican foreign policy expert told me, "It's the stupidest [flaming] thing I've ever seen in American diplomacy."

James Baker speaks!

On a roll? You're out of your mind. THe last two Brooks columns I read were about how science-v.-atheism is really buddhism v. the bible, and another one about how a Democratic presidential administration would be a crazy circus while a Republican administration would be nobly entrenched.

I'm sure the rest of your post was perfectly reasonable, though.

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Great post, Joe. Realism, emerging from diplomats, involves refraining from conflict when it's not necessary. Neoconservatism, emerging from rhetoricians and pundits, means posing false dilemmas to maximize the possibility of war.

Brooks: This is the problem with multipolarity. When everybody is responsible, nobody is responsible.

Disgusting. When the putative sole superpower lapses into a jihad to remake the globe in its image, the rest of the world becomes more receptive to multipolarity. We arranged an international coalition against Saddam in 1991, and very effective sanctions against Libya in the 1980s. We can do it, if our cause is just and we stop acting to convince the world that we're insane.

So now that our policy of treating everyone as a possible invasion target makes the world suspicious of us, Brooks says we have to blame the weak-kneed, lily-livered "feckless international community" for the problems in Iran. Charming. And "Iran will still be on the march"? What does that even refer to? What is that except the same fear-based rhetoric that we saw in the run-up to the Iraq invasion?

Joe: The real choice is between being regional hegemonist power--running Hizballah in Lebanon, arming Hamas, covertly using its influence to control Iraq--and becoming a normal country, part of the international fabric of nations

Not to be a jerk, or anything, but is that really a choice? We seem to be able to do both just fine, thank you very much. Is it just that we're powerful enough, so everyone else can just Suck. On. This?

Note, by the way, that the Bush administration shares Saddam Hussein's approach to diplomacy.

"How should we solve our problems with Iran? Iran took our lands. They are controlling the Shatt-al-Arab, our big river. How can meetings and discussions solve a problem like this? Do you know why they decided to meet with us here, Salah? They are weak is why they are talking with us. If they were strong there would be no need to talk. So this gives us an opportunity, an opportunity that only comes along once in a century. We have an opportunity here to recapture our territories and regain control of our river."

That was when al-Ali realized that Saddam had just been playing with the Iranians, and that Iraq was going to go to war. Saddam had no interest in diplomacy. To him, statecraft was just a game whose object was to outmaneuver one's enemies.

Brooks manages to boil every issue down -- no matter the topic, no matter its complexity -- to a reductionist choice between two binary approaches, neither one grounded in reality but instead mere constructs in BoBo's mind.

It's amazing, really, if you go back and review his columns how he always finds that there are two choices or approaches to pick from.

BTW: One way to get their attention IS to finally issue The Ultimatum (stand down, or get rocked) -- and then ACT on it when they whine to the UN ala Saddam.

Enough coddling terrorist sponsors, or Putin puppets, or Berzerkley babes, in any venue.

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See, this is one of the problems that I have. I just don't understand how anybody could ever take David Brooks seriously. Of Bill Kristol. Or Thomas Friedman. Or MoDo. Or...

Seriously, IS Denver or Minneapolis first this go-round?

I want to be sure to get the APPEASEMENT ACCOMPLISHED sign up in Time for Klein's entrance to the portable Trader Vic's in the Kennedy Memorial Lush Lounge next to the SCUBA rental cart along side the golf iron range nearby the Oldsmobile dealership...

Brooks and QH aren't the only ones proving they're clueless of late. Here's John McCain demonstrating again that he has no idea what he's talking about.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/29/mccain-declares-mosul-qui_n_104208.html

The Bush Administration has been stone blind to signals from those the President, an international infant, considers to be bad guys. In fact, it is impossible to say just what sort of situation the next President will face until the Bush cancer is excised from the White House and a new team begins to explore the middle east for the diplomatic possibilities that may well have been ignored, quashed and generally stomped on by this sad, overmatched Administration.

I've been meaning to post the reminder about this very early failure of the Bush Administration for several posts now. It still infuriates me that they ignored this overture.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/002528.php

Through a Swiss intermediary, the Iranian regime proposed the basis for comprehensive discussions. If accepted, it would have meant the Iranians would have put on the table ending its support for Palestinian terrorist groups; "action" on transforming Hezbollah into a "mere political organization within Lebanon"; "transparency" that Iran isn't trying to develop WMD; and "enhanced action against Al Qaida members in Iran."

Everything in the proposal isn't a good idea, but it was certainly a starting point for diplomacy. In 2003!

Joe,

I just went after you in re: the Aylers blog entry, but I have to admit that this entry is much better.

The thing is, if you think is an international infant and that Bush is a cancer, you can't let up!!!

Hey, QH, I appreciate the ALL CAPS you use in your posts. When I see that, I know to skip over whatever it is that follows.

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I will say this for Say Joe: He's no Scottie McClunkhead.

McClunkhead, like so many passed over former flag ocifers and secondary staffers and Dan Rathers that don't raise a decent qualm until their retiree checks are firmly in hand, could never be the likes of Say Joe.

Say Joe was all about staying out of Iraq, no matter the threat seen or unseen, or Saddam's bloody track record, or the UN's oil-for-Scotland scam, or North Korean SCUD supplies, or Oosay & Koosay in Talibanland, or rape rooms, or kiddie jails, or wood chippers, or aspirin factories in Sudan...

Sorry, what was that?

He wasn't there either?

My bad.

Never mind.

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Posted by Joe Klein May 30, 2008 10:05:

David Brooks has been on a roll lately, column after column filled with smart, independent thinking.

Joe:

Surely you can help a poor reader out, and provide links (as you did with today's column) to exactly which "column after column" were written by Brooks, and yet somehow also not representative of the morbid hackery that generally characterizes elite columnists.

That said, I really do appreciate you looking into what appears to be one of Brooks' more pathological and degenerate pieces of political rot. You've shown me up to be quite mistaken when I wrote

Joe won't throw down like this in response to Davids Brooks or Ignatius, or Michael O'Hanlon, or Tom "Friedman Unit" Friedman, or anybody who is far more dangerous than the Plame-discredited Bob Novak, even though they endlessly make identically preposterous, ideology/privilege driven, reality-challenged arguments the bedrock of Beltway establishment foreign policy encyclicals.

I was wrong.

When I remarked "Let's see him take on the current arguments of his sophisticated colleagues, instead of the old, execrable Novak.", it did not seem to me that you were willing to tell truths such as

...there was real cooperation between the U.S. and Iran when it came to removing the Taliban from power in 2001. Iran was, by all accounts, a positive force in the "six plus two" process that involved Afghanistan's neighbors in the post-Taliban stabilization of that country.

, in the face of Brooks' dishonest appeasement accusations:

Obama Admires Bush, May 16, 2008, David Brooks

Barack Obama issued a statement...he declared,

“It’s time to engage in diplomatic efforts to help build a new Lebanese consensus that focuses on electoral reform, an end to the current corrupt patronage system, and the development of the economy that provides for a fair distribution of services, opportunities and employment.”

That sentence has the whiff of what President Bush described yesterday as appeasement. Is Obama naïve enough to think that an extremist ideological organization like Hezbollah can be mollified with a less corrupt patronage system and some electoral reform?

If Obama believes all this, he’s not just a Jimmy Carter-style liberal. He’s off in Noam Chomskyland.

[Obama] reaffirmed that Hezbollah is “not a legitimate political party.” Instead, “It’s a destabilizing organization by any common-sense standard. This wouldn’t happen without the support of Iran and Syria.”

Obama being Obama, he understood the broader reason I was asking about Lebanon. Everybody knows that Obama is smart (and he was quite well informed about Lebanon). The question is whether he’s seasoned and tough enough to deal with implacable enemies.

You will perhaps forgive me, Joe, as I am mildly shocked at your willingness to be associated with the likes of Carter and Chomsky (Mao and Stalin are not far off from inclusion in Brooks' next list), by describing Iran in factual terms so removed from the "seasoned" and "tough" phrase "implacable enemies". To my discredit, I did not expect enough courage on your part to withstand the threat of that sort of innuendo and smear being attached to your professional name.

In my criticism of your post last week, I wrote the following:

When Joe starts to argue with Brooks and Ignatius, when he starts to peel away the veneer of "sensibility" and "practicality" and "realism" --when he admits that Brooks and company are responsible for rank deceit in the service of partisanship and ideology demonstrated by pieces in which "Chicken Littles like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd were ranting that Iraq is another Vietnam"-- then I'll take his renunciation of the essentially Republican ideology that makes up the Village consensus on what's "Serious" at face value.

Today you write

Brooks says that the Iranian regime faces the choice of acting as a revolutionary jihadist power or a regional hegemonist power, but there's no difference between those two "options" and that's not the real choice here. The real choice is between being regional hegemonist power--running Hizballah in Lebanon, arming Hamas, covertly using its influence to control Iraq--and becoming a normal country, part of the international fabric of nations, which is what the Iranian people overwhelmingly want.

, and there is no other conclusion that can be drawn other than that you must be mindful of the desperate need we as a country have for honest debate about our foreign policy options going forward, and that you are doing your part to ground consensus in reality.

Regardless of whatever disagreements we share, or criticism of your views or work I may reserve, the integrity you've demonstrated today is impressive (in terms of mainstream journalism).

Thank you for contributing to the "reality-based community", Joe.

Obamaish- I'm glad you wrote that last comment, it brings up something that I'd like to talk about. The argument: "the Iraq invasion was justified because SH was such a bad guy", is incredibly weak and, rightly, smells of desperation. Of course he was a bad guy. But how many soldiers lives is it worth to replace him? How many trillions of dollars? As he was an oppressive tyrant, why is it OK to risk the lives of hundreds-of-thousands of the very citizens he victimized? Why didn't we leave after he was gone? Should we "police" the rest of the world? If so, how soon before we invade China, Russia... (choose your favorite dozen oppressive govts to complete the list)? What about a government that sanctions torture, spies on its own people, refuses to engage much of the world in diplomatic relations, manipulates its media and engages in preemptive military campaigns against weaker, innocent countries? (oh, oops, scratch that last one)

QH, I usually read right by your posts, esp the all caps ones, but your question hit my eye and I didn't see a response.

Denver is first this time.

You're right Mr Nice Guy, QH is very easy to skip over due to the caps. Obamish and Rustydog aren't as considerate, so I just skim until I see a some ad-hominem attack and I know it'll be them when I scroll down.

I just wanted to point out that, in this case, winning an argument online is exactly like winning the Special Olympics...

"...The real choice is between being regional hegemonist power--running Hizballah in Lebanon, arming Hamas, covertly using its influence to control Iraq--and becoming a normal country, part of the international fabric of nations, which is what the Iranian people overwhelmingly want.
Lets see -- with a few wrinkles here and there, would ANY country hate "-running Hizballah in Lebanon, arming Hamas, covertly using its influence to control Iraq-"

"normal country, part of the international fabric of nations"
A nice international fabric with the USA - not Russia or China! - perched at the top as the sole superpower, eh?
Are you, or have you ever been, a student or disciple of Rumsfeld and/or Wolfowitz?

" ..which is what the Iranian people overwhelmingly want..."
Overwhelmingly? Really? Remind us they cannot vote their wants - just as in Cuba, Kenya, Zimbabwe, China, former USSR etc..

Perhaps we cannot expect our reporters and commentators to be disinterested parties or neutral observers.
Then how do we, the people, get to make informed decisions?

sigh!
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" .. obsessively and systematically, the cable news talking heads (on all the major networks, not just FOX) routinely refer to John McCain as a "maverick" without any analysis or cynicism as if it is an undeniable fact. Perhaps Chris Matthews is right when he admits that the press just may be McCain's "base". "
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Brook's neocon genetics bubble often to the surface.

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• مشاهير Hollywood


• مشاهير Bollywood


• مشاهير الغناء
  الغربي


• الفنانين
  اللاتينيين


• new - الدراما
  الكوريه - اليابانيه -new


• new - نجوم تركيا
  -new

المرسى الأدبي

• مرسى الشعر


• مرسى الخواطر


• مرسى القصص
  والروايات

منتدى الصور والغرائب

• مرسى الصور


• مرسى عجائب و غرائب
  الصور ( جديد )

منتدى أفلام YOUTUBE

• : YOUTUBE MOVIES :

مرسى التصميم والصور

• PhotoShop Academy
  
  
  
  • دروس الفئة
    الخضراء
  
  
  • دروس الفئة
    الحمراء
  
  
  
  


• مرسى اكسسوارات
  التصميم ( فرش - فلاتر - باترن - ستايلات - خطوط )


• خلفيات Wallpapers |
  إيقونات Icons | شعارات logos


• مرسى صور التصاميم
  وملفات التصاميم المفتوحة


• Scrapbooking
  section


• مرسى التصاميم
  والابداع ( لعرض تصاميم الاعضاء وابداعاتهم )
  
  
  
  • قسم خاص بطلبات
    التواقيع - فقط -
  
  
  
  


• جديد - مرسى الفلاش
  و تقنياته - جديد


• مرسى التصوير
  الفوتغرافي
  
  
  
  • مسابقة المصور
    المحترف - المرحلة الأولى موضوعها - الطفولة -
  
  
  • يومك في صورة -
    هنا -
  
  
  
  

منتدى الماسنجر وبرامج المحادثه

• الماسنجر وبرامج
  المحادثة


• التوبيكات وصور
  العرض و إضافات الماسنجر

المرسى التقني

• مرسى البرامج
  
  
  
  • منتدى الفيديو
    والصوتيات والبرامج الخاصه بها - جديد -
  
  
  
  


• مرسى التقنية و
  أخبار التكنلوجيا والأنترنت
  
  
  
  • أخبار العلوم
    والتكنولوجيا من BBC
  
  
  • أخبار
    الكمبيوتر والأنترنت من صحيفة الرياض
  
  
  • الأخبار التقنيه
    من سانا
  
  
  
  


• مرسى ألعاب الفيديو
  وألعاب الفلاش

مرسى الجوال

• مرسى الاتصالات
  والجوالات


• مرسى نغمات الجوال

مرسى الترفيه والفرفشه

• مرسى المرح والتسلية


• مرسى المسابقات و الألعاب -المشاركات
  في هذا القسم لن تحسب للعضو ( مغلق )

المرسى العلمي

• مرسى التعليم وشؤون
  الطلاب


• English Forum
  
  
  
  • تعلم الإنجليزية
    مع الـ BBC
  
  
  
  


• مرسى الفعاليات
  وأخبار الوظائف

المرسى الطبي

• المرسى الطبي


• new الرشاقة والصحة
  العامة new

مرسى السياحة والسفر

• مرسى السياحة والسفر


• مرسى الطيران

مرسى الرياضة و وسائل المواصلات

• المرسى الرياضي
  
  
  
  • اليورو 2008
  
  
  • أخبار الرياضه
    من الـ BBC
  
  
  • أخبار الرياضة
    من جريدة الرياض
  
  
  
  


• جديد - الدوري
  السعودي - جديد


• جديد - الدوري
  المصري - جديد


• مرسى صور مشاهير
  الرياضه


• مرسى السيارات