The Generals Problem

The real reform necessary here is for the networks to vet their military analysts and make sure that no one appears on air who has business dealings with the Pentagon.

REAL reform starts in your own home first. When MSM begins to go back to journalism and news, instead of competing with the reality show cable programs full of "commentators", both on the left and right, this will be a major step forward.

But, unfortunately that will never happen as the money in advertisements rules what America is watching.

Journalistic integrity is gone, and gone forever. Goodbye Katie Couric!!

Better be careful what you wish for Joe Klien, you may be writing for Marvel Comic Books before long.

Conflict of interest is one problem. The other problem is that they were not independent, as advertised. The NY Times article clearly demonstrated that they were shills selling the "company" line in the guise of independent experts. That's called government sponsored propaganda.

I agree that the briefings were not the problem. However, as with journalists, receiving briefings only from a single source with a clear interest in putting out the best possible interpretation of events is a problem.

How are the cable shows really going to vet these people? It's the Pentagon that will have to come clean with who is benefiting from what contracts. What you're suggesting is as useless as those stock ownership disclaimers that you see on the financial news shows. Sure, they say they do or don't own stock but there's not vetting there, it's just a self declaration.

Oh please. Your suggestion is good, but has about as much chance of happening as banning journalists from McCain's barbecues. No network wants to be without a general, so no network is going to be the first to vet their own consultants. After all, John Yoo was on CNN as an expert consultant.

"The real problem the fact that many of the generals work for defense contractors who do business with the Pentagon or have their own Defense Department consultant contracts, which is a plain, flat-out conflict of interest."

The real problem goes deeper. It is the selling of a war by any part of the government, and the collusion of the media in that effort.

I guess I have an entirely different take on this issue than most of the commentators here.

While I'm not thrilled about being unknowingly propaganda-ized I am pretty happy that the military has the ability to actually engage in subtle, useful (for accomplishing their own goals) propaganda.

Now what we really need is for the people who thought up this scheme to start applying it to foreign countries and actual war efforts where we could really use some help in the propaganda department.

The real reform necessary here is for the networks to vet their military analysts and make sure that no one appears on air who has business dealings with the Pentagon.

Thanks for commenting on this.

The business dealings are probably the biggest part of the problem. If the pentagon has you by the short hairs you shouldn't be reporting on the pentagon.

But the pentagon also has leverage over experts in terms of their access. Speak out against the party line? The pentagon will leave you out in the cold. Maybe not a lot can be done about this kind of thing. But the networks should at least be aware of it, and try to balance pentagon based experts with people who are more independent of it.

Walter Pincus asks, why can't you just have real reporters along with your "rent-a-generals," the way you used to have:

Today’s mainstream print and electronic media want to be neutral, unbiased and objective, presenting both or all sides as if they were on the sidelines refereeing a game in which only the players—the government and its opponents—can participate. They have increasingly become common carriers, transmitters of other people’s ideas and thoughts, irrespective of import, relevance and at times even accuracy.

At a time when it is most needed, the media, and particularly newspapers, have dropped the idea of having experienced reporters provide analysis and context and turned instead to retired public figures or so-called experts to provide commentary. It was not always this way.

As a copy boy at The New York Times in 1954, fresh out of college, I delivered newspapers and mail to Hanson Baldwin, then the paper’s highly respected military correspondent. When Baldwin wrote a news story or an analysis piece, it was read by Pentagon officials and members of Congress. They read him because his years of coverage and perceptive views made him as much an expert as top generals and civilian defense officials.

From the 1950s through the 1980s, I could name reporters and columnists whose experience on their beats or in their areas made them thoughtful and respected commentators. Younger reporters today are regularly shifted around from beat to beat, never really having enough time to master totally complex subjects, such as health, public education and environmental policies. Coverage then depends on statements and pronouncements by government sources or their critics.

It would be nice if corporate news actually spent the money to pay for good reporting, and didn't treat the testimony of certain "experts" as if they were the sole source to go to, especially when those sources are obviously biased in a certain direction. Unfortunately this is par for the course with the McNews we seem to get more and more of these days.

Message coordination is also a big problem. Having all the commentators reciting from the same set of talking points creates a sense of consensus.

The biggest problem is that the cable news networks saw their job as promoting the war rather than reporting on it, as Glenn Greenwald discusses here:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/04/23/brown/index.html

Are there retired general officers who don't work for defense contractors? That's a serious question, Joe.

By the way, the full Walter Pincus article is here:

http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/1851

NYU prof Jay Rosen has some commentary on it here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-rosen/walter-pincus-of-the-p_b_92019.html

Actually, reading it again, the Rosen piece is a bit off topic. But the important thing is, expertise can be more optics than reality. Newsrooms should have the courage and the capability (sorry corporate media, you probably have to pay to get that) to do their own reporting on the pentagon. And not just bring in generals with propagandizing talking points that they have agreed to spout in order to maintain their access, which doesn't sound much like democracy. Now will the right cry "media bias" from time to time? Yup. But you should be able to take that.

Good post, but I can't really take it seriously because it was written by a guy who was a self-confessed groupie and defender of the Dreamy, Brilliant, Great, and Consummately Honorable David Petraeus.

Who, of course, turned out to be a political hack just as bad as the rest of these guys. But how dare those people from MoveOn.org suggest such a thing!

And speaking of stories mainstream news won't touch, when are we going to hear an MSM story on the number of Iraqi deaths due to the conflict?

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2008/01/deaths_in_iraq.php

JJ: Watching briefings at the Pentagon in the hey dey of the Rumsfeld-Pace Show one came away with the impression that most of the guys and girls were having a jolly time. One big happy family, in house jokes and all.

I did not see Walter Pincus, Dana Priest, Rajiv Chandrasekaran or Tom Ricks there: and they did some of the best reporting on the War.

"The real problem the fact that many of the generals work for defense contractors who do business with the Pentagon or have their own Defense Department consultant contracts, which is a plain, flat-out conflict of interest."

ANONYMOUSE HAS LEFT THE PAID SPEECH MEET UP!

Next non-news story please.

"The real reform necessary here is for the networks to vet their military analysts and make sure that no one appears on air who has business dealings with the Pentagon."

How about no "newspersons" with massive contributions to the DNC?

End the paid speeches to the federally funded Student Unions perhaps?

Howard University gets more money from Uncle Sam than WEST POINT does, Joe.

But enough about Reverend Wrong and the non-profits vital to our religious freedom.

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Joe: You can't be serious. This it. The real problem is the generals and the networks. This has got to be some kind of a joke.

Let me make this simple because the more I pounding on this keyboard the piss offer I get.

The real problem is the atmosphere and attitude throughout the media that allow something like this to happen. You make this seem like its an isolated incident that now a few stories have been written about it can be laid to rest. All they have to do is vet better. IT's NOT JUST the networks, but print as well.

All of you collectively laid down on the job while this administration paid journalists to write stories, hired actors to play journalists and decide which journalists were going to be included at press briefings. Judy Miller and Jeff Gannon happen on your watch.

You guys are the ones that let the WH treat Helen Thomas like crap and decided the best way to cover this war was to join the military and report entirely from their perspective. It was you guys that shut out reporters that worked independently covering the war and spent all your time taking pool reports.

It was you guys that were pretty much silent on the AP photo arrested by the military and held for years.

The generals were but one of numerous breaches in your intergrity wall. The reason it was exploited so easily by the military and this administration is because they saw each time they poked another hole in the wall you guys collectivly left it there. It was just this simple. "Hey, they let us get away with that lets try something even more daring."

Now the networks and print media are furiously hiring the same people like Tony Snow, Karl Rove and other administration and pentagon mouth pieces who helped draft these breaches in your walls and you all sit there and say nothing.

Joe, you don't think people from your own side of the fence didn't have a hand in helping the pentagon do this to your profession do you?

What of the conflicts of interest within your own profession? You work for a multinational corporation; NBC is owned by GE (one of the largest defense contractors in America); reporters cover candidates and then write books about their campaigns, which financially ties them to a certain outcome (a book written about a winning campaign will sell more copies than a book about a losing one); you people benefit from Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy; your owners benefit from lax Republican oversight and regulation: the conflicts of interest within the world of journalism are so many, so vast, and so complex that it would take several books to begin unwinding them. But you don't go there, of course. Always pointing the finger, but never at yourselves.

"The Pentagon is stopping special briefings for the generals..."

Meanwhile, Terry Moran just parked his liberal limo in the CJCS's spot and hollered at some poor Marine to keep an eye on his Volvo or else.

THE WHOLE WORLD IS YAWNING.

This amounts to nothing but more troop bashing from the "journalists" shilling for Howard Scream in the Nightly Spews.

ZERO proof any contract, college scholarship, or food court was EVER tainted by these Heads Ups from the DOD to the interested retirees (unlike the media's "right" to the Pentagon Papers).

Also further unlike the panting press, the professional military does not automatically eat their own and diss their home nation when the Friday evening news cycle winds down in Time for Gwen and Bill Moisten.

Not that loyalty to flag or friend ever really meant that much to the ninnies stinking up Black Rock and the Clixon Lieberry n the first place.

But you keep telling us about how evil them U.S. soldiers IS, Semi-American media!

November's only 6 months away, and McCain needs all the votes in Bakersfield and Baltimore he can get.

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As a former journalist, I'm appalled that the current generation feels so impotent. Don't you guys know how to write anything but passive verbs?

Also, you're burying the lede (and I also blame David Barstow for this as well).

The problem is CORRUPTION. The military analysts aren't merely on the JUNKET CIRCUIT for the DoD and propagandizing, they are literally RAINMAKERS for an entire cross section of government contractors.

By supporting the war and mouthing the Bush/Cheney talking points, the (retired) generals first get access to the civilian side of the Pentagon, and the ability to shape the public discussion. After going on the air at FOX, CNN, et al, the general got a nice "atta boy" from Rumsfeld.

Here's where it gets insidious. The generals also sit on boards of corporations seeking government contracts for a wide range of products and services which are not weapons. I'm talking about food, phones, fuel, fun, etc. The procuring agencies are not DoD, they're GSA, FBI, FEMA, etc. The board asks the general for a contact to assist on the contract. The general in turn is looked upon favorably by the political arm of the Bush/Cheney administration, and lo and behold the company gets a very nice contract.

What happens if the general decides to fess upon FOX or CNN? Do you honestly think the corporation is going to get the next contract for FEMA water or trailers? Will the GSA buy their phones or diesel fuel? Will the corporation keep the general on retainer or on the board, or provide nice stock options?

This is insidious corruption. Not only is this kind of corruption being used for weapons procurement, it's in every nook and cranny of our $3.1 TRILLION budget.

And the "journalists" in Washington are either unable to see it, unwilling to disclose it, or unable to get their editors to get it in print or on the air.

That story has a set of legs that will bring down the government. But we don't have a congressman like harry Truman (during WWI), or William Proxmire (Cold War) to blow the horn.

Somebody out there tell me why I'm wrong.
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This is comment from an LA Times thread

Think about that.

My issue is with the journos like Joe Klein. The whole mainstream political news beat is so profoundly corrupt themselves that they cannot understand how corrupt this is.

TV news has long, long lost all credibility, willingly becoming dupes of the Bush Administration. This is another brick in the wall of evidence demonstrating their failure.

You know you've hit an actual real story when QH drops 4 posts in less than 20 minutes.

JJ

KT has posted on this issue, but from a different perspective. She has said that the problem with corporate ownership is not that the owners bias the reporting but that they're cost-cutting destroys the news gathering apparatus, which I'm told is what the Wire is also about. There's no way that it make economic sense, from the perspective of shareholders looking for higher quarterly earnings reports, to spend all the time and effort that went into, say, the rent-a-general program. It is even harder to justify developing the expertise of a Linda Greenhouse.

I happen to think this Wall Street argument is wrong, or rather, very shortsighted. This cost-cutting strategy only works if people are willing to continue buying an inferior product. It works in the short term, but as the paper gets worse, fewer people read it, forcing more cost-cutting. Essentially what this is brand exploitation. For a paper like the NYT that has spent more than a century building its brand, it is insane to debase that brand because of quarterly earning numbers. Same with TIME.

The situation is worse for TIME, because a weekly news cycle leaves them dependent on the quality of the analysis and the writing, which is necessarily not timely. But the web creates a natural selection environment that is both more timely and selects for higher quality writing. For now, because writers aspire to those platforms, the model is sustainable. Matt Y ends up at the Atlantic. Michael Scherer at TIME.

But if cost cutting is the way they expect to survive, they risk a death spiral, especially if more people successfully adopt Glenn Greenwald's model of giving blog content away as a means of promoting book sales. (This is what Esther Dyson predicted would happen, lo those many years ago.)

After watching the near constant media self-flagellation over their errors regarding the generals I found myself even more envious of the professional media's ethics. The severe public reprimands, suspensions and firings show that this type of thing will never happen again...

If only the dirty F-ing bloggers had such ethics and professionalism...

What's wrong with professional military people, active or retired, keeping up with current Pentagon policies and procedures?

Not only do I question the media's patriotism, I question their contracting to CNN's foreigner infested corporate "press credentials".

I fail to see any DOD analyst conflict, in any of this -- other than the ludicrous leaking NY Times getting back at Rumsfeld and Rice again, about the dead tree types being asked to obey some basic ethics instead of sending signals to Al Queda as a career move.

The vast majority of Americans will take a former flag officer over a flaming press feminist as actual news source, ANY day of the war.

But keep burning those books and chilling those old generals, Joe.

And tell Janet Cooke and Jayson Blair we all said hello, when you next see them on Publisher's Rove.

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If Time-Warner can set up an economic model that allows niche entertainments like Turner Classic Movies to continue to grow, surely there is some way to leverage news into a value, rather than growth, sector of the company.

no one appears on air who has business dealings with the Pentagon

Is this a moral stance news organizations can take given their acceptance of advertising by organizations with business dealings with the Pentagon? Wouldn't a smarter, actually acheivable reform be to state upfront that these people are military contractors? (i.e. Gen Bobby Buchard, ret., with Northrup Grumman)

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Don't worry, we already gathered that. The whiff of astroturf was detectable from the bleacher seats.

"Wouldn't a smarter, actually acheivable reform be to state upfront that these people are military contractors?"

The intonation here IS that the retired military people are inherently dishonest.

That IS what the loon lib press IS axing Americans to believe.

Absolute non-sense, from absolute cowards.

Proposed: Every TV talking shop analyst has to wear a golf cap ala Tiger or Phil emblazoned with the company, university, college board, PTA, foreign car model, street artist, hemp deduction, or gay bar to which they IS most affiliated.

If put into practice, the staff of the Washington Post will mostly croak from broken necks.

Summary: The Pentagon op-ed, er, press turf IS reserved for flaming liberals from CBS, PBS, and the BBC only.

No actual Americans (especially those evil military kinds) allowed.

HOLD IT, this just in from Skippy O'Bonger HQ....

1. Thinks Pensacola probably tastes a lot like Pepsi, only with half the calories.

2. Overheard recent House armed services committee discussion about Fort Lewis, immediately started humming "Heart of Rock & Roll".

3. During first eight months of initial Senate term he kept referring to DOD HQ as the "Pentangle".

4. Still can't find Rwanda, Somalia, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Indonesia, or Pakistan on John Kerry's waterproofed map of Greater Cambodia.

5. Thinks a flag officer is an elevated school crossing guard in select East Coast suburbs.

6. Saw war hero John McCain on CNN talking from the Fort Bragg O-Club, automatically assumed chat location had something to do with Oprah.

7. General Powell asked him to visit the Gitmo BX some time. He said "Great, I love those cool California dirt bikes."

8. Demands our troops withdraw now from Philadelphia, NOLA, and Compton, since the civil wars there are most certainly lost, and those people really don't want us there anyway.

9. Never visited Pearl Harbor while in Hawaii, since he already owned enough Miki Moto and Maui Wowee.

10. Thinks Hitler, Stalin, Ho, and Castro were just misunderstood, and a lot of sensitive smiling would have made things all better at Yalta, Hanoi, Buchenwald, and the Bay of Pigs.

11. Whenever he's scheduled to meet someone about the 1st Cav, brings a tooth brush and a tube of Crest.

12. Told in no uncertain terms by Joe Biden that "NTC" stands for Nightly Talent Club. Believed it. Later blamed the evil Reagan years.

13. Convinced the Apollo space mission was named after a theater in Harlem, and has half a moon walk to prove it.

14. Believes the venerable Old Guard is comprised of Robert Byrd, Nancy Pelosi, Hugo Chavez, and Jane Fonda, plus Ted Kennedy's liver.

15. Just another half-baked, half-experienced, half-nurtured also-ran at the 2008 Senate Democrat Party Spelin Bee.

"What happens if the general decides to fess upon FOX or CNN? Do you honestly think the corporation is going to get the next contract for FEMA water or trailers? Will the GSA buy their phones or diesel fuel? Will the corporation keep the general on retainer or on the board, or provide nice stock options?"

Oh sweet Allah's stained shorts.

You, like Klein, ever so slyly assume that the military analysts are inherently dishonest.

Your argument and criticisms are then specious at best, and typical lefty Kos Klod traitor crap as usual.

But keep on loathing the troops, libnix!

Only 8 more months until President McCain bans Time-Klein from the POTUS press junkets to freed Iraq, Afghanistan, and soon Iran.

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"The problem isn't the briefings--journalists get briefings all the time; sometimes there's useful information, sometimes not."

Hmmm, feels like somethings missing...hmmmmm. Oh yeah! How about about a modicum of skepticism on the part of journalists? Ah, but you guys just melt when you see the uniforms, so that won't work. Maybe you could get second opinions from experts like Bill Kristol, or even Peter Hoekstra when you need verification.

Joe, sometimes I just want to hold and protect you, it's a cold hard world out there, innocents like you are candy to the harder elements of our world who prey on the trusting and naive. Bless your heart.

Joe,

Josh has a question for you over at TPM:

Talking Points Memo | How's He Doing, Joe?

@James, LA Here's where it gets insidious. The generals also sit on boards of corporations seeking government contracts for a wide range of products and services which are not weapons.

On NPRs On the Media, just heard a general (Bevilaqua?) who had been an NPR commenter. I was half listening, but did hear him say that he was working for a small company at that time and the boss told him that he had to be very careful not to say anything negative or they would lose business they couldn't afford. Bevilaqua said he quit two weeks later.

I agree with James that the problem is far greater than the weapons contracts we assume are the issue.

Joe, DO NOT GO TO TALKINGPOINTSMEMO.COM, Josh Marshall is calling you out, and I'm afraid for your delicate sensibilities:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/191457.php

I agree with the LA Times article that James posted. My reaction is less than it should be because I am not surprised. I think my train of thought was, "Oh look, the White House is using retired generals to disseminate propaganda throughout the media. I wonder what type of sandwich I'll have for lunch today."

Which, I'll admit, is completely the opposite of the reaction I should have. But I think my outrage meter blew out months ago.

Darn, I got beaten to the punch. But I'll punch anyway. Hey Joe, Josh Marshall has a question for you! It's a good question, posed respectfully. Us swamp kids will be interested in your response.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/191457.php

The realer problem is that anyone appearing on TV in a military uniform should never have any credibility, ever again.

The realer problem is that anyone appearing on TV in a military uniform should never have any credibility, ever again.
Posted by Acid J

I'd amend that to any officer, but yeah. The ex- and retired enlisted don't get *any* of that gravy.

Acid J & James

The Twin Towers of Didn't Get Accepted To West Point -- or were you once welcomed, and then kicked out for cheating?

Move On!

QH, which part of Iraq are you logging in from again?

It's pretty silly to ban anyone who has business dealings with the Pentagon. By my very exact and scientific method of picking a number out of the air, that would catch about 95% of the people qualified to comment on military matters. Conflict of interest doesn't need to be eradicated, it just needs to be declared at the outset. Let the viewers know up front that General Smith works for Northrup Grumman. Then they can take that into account when judging his comments.

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اغاني سنوات الضياع -صور مهند ونور رومنسية -صور رومانسية نور ومهند -
صور مهند بطل مسلسل نور التركي -نهاية مسلسل نور -صور اليسا -
فيديو كليب تامر حسني - هي دي -العروسة فيديو كليب ماجد 2008 -صور فاردن وكارينا -
صور مي عز الدين 2008 -نيشان مقدم العراب -صور لميس -
صور لميس ويحيى -لحن اغنيه مسلسل سنوات الضياع -نؤاس اموري ياشمعتي -
صور بنت سعودية -صور اميشا -نجمة بوليوود -
صور لميس بطلة مسلسل سنوات الضياع -صور لميس نجمة سنوات الضياع -
سنوات الضياع -صور مهند بطل مسلسل نور -
يارا صدفة -تحبني ولا تحب الدراهم -
فضايح استار اكاديمي -هيفاء وهبي -
صور كاميرون دياز -احلام في العراب - البوم راشد و أحبابه -دومينك حوري الخاشوقة -
نانسي عجرم -فستان اليسا -
مركز تحميل - تحميل مفات -
تحميلت صور - تحميل -
صور - صور مضحكة -
باسكال مشعلاني -نانسي عجرم -
الين خلف -امل حجازي -
ديانا حداد -دارين حدشيتي -
ماري جوزي حنين -صور ديانا كرزون -
اريام -جميلات العرب -
مريام فارس -صور برق ورعد -
اليسا - صور طبيعية -
صور قلوب - صور رومنسية -
صور ماسنجر -وسائط -

صور بنات -صور بنات للمسن -
صور اشجار - صور حب -
صور شواطىء و بحار - صور سحـاب وغيوم -
صور أطفال - صور حيوانات -
صور إسلامية - صور منوعة -
صور خيول - صور متحركة -
صور رجالية للتصاميم - صور نسائية للتصاميم -
صور اطفال للتصاميم - صور شلالات وانهار -
صور قلوب - صور منوعة للتصاميم -
صور من تصويرك - صور وسائط MMS -
صور مرعبة - صور الأنمي -
صور رومنسية - صور دببة -
صور هدايا - صور سيارات -
صور خلفيات - صور ورد و زهور -
وسائط - صور شموع -
جميلات الاجانب - صور مسن كرتونية -
جوجو - اشلي سيمبسون -
هيلاري دوف - افرل لوفين -
جيسيكا البا - جورج كلوني -
جينيفر لوبيز - جينيفر آنستون - كرستينا اغوليرا -
ساندار بولوك - جوليا روبرتس -
آنجلينا جولي - تاركان -
برادبيت - توم كروز -
كيانو ريفز - مارك ولبرغ -
ريكي مارتن - انريكي ايجلاسيز -
جميلات الهند - صور حزينة -
صور الكاركتير - صور رجالية للتصاميم -
صور احترافية للتصاميم - صور تصاميم -
صور تصاميم وتواقيع - صور ماسنجر -
صور قلوب للمسن -صور مسن كتابية -
منوعات ماسنجر -صور مناسبات واسلاميات للمسن -
صور ايدي وارجل للمسن -صور اطفال مسن -
صور فنانين للماسنجر -صور بنات للمسن -
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المنتدى العام مواضيع ساخنة ومثيرة ترجمة
ازياء موضة فساتين
مكياج ميك اب اكسسوارات ديكور غرف نوم
اثاث طبخ مطبخ حلويات اكلات معجنات تغذية صحة طب
شعر قصايد خواطر عذب الكلام
قصص روايات طرب رجة مسابقات صرقعة صور بلوتوث و مقاطع فيديو بلوتوث العاب فلاش صور انمي افلام انمي عدسة التصوير
افلام عربية و مسلسلات مسلسلات اجنبية تلفزيونية افلام عربية و افلام اجنبية و مسلسلات تلفزيونية برامج كمبيوتر فوتوشوب ثيمات - العاب الجوال - خلفيات برامج نوكيا - نغمات - برامج جوال رسائل جوال - مسجات - رسايل وسائط - sms مسنجر - برامج ماسنجر - توبيكات دروس التصميم
ملحقات التصميم
بلوتوث
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برامج نوكيا -كورة -صور -
مسنجر - طرب -
العاب -
قصص - مكياج - موضة
- ديكور
- وسائط
- برامج
-افلام -
مقاطع فيديو -
مواضيع ساخنة -ثيمات
جوال -نغمات -
افلام انمي -خواطر -
العاب جوال -افلام
عربية -ازياء - صور
انمي -
سياحة -مسلسلات اجنبية -
شعر -اناشيد -
توبيكات -رسائل
جوال -تصاميم
شات
شات الرياض
بنت حواء
بنت نجد
عروسة
عروس
العاب شمس
صور رومنسيه
صور جميلة
احلى رومانسيه
منتديات بيت حواء -
ازياء - -فساتين زفاف 2008 -
موضة -فساتين -
6 -6-p-4 -6-p-9 -6-p-12 -أجمل فساتين -
فساتين بنات -فساتين ناعمة -
بيجامات ناعمه -فساتين قصيرة -
قمصان نومفساتين -
ملابس ناعمه -بجامات بنوتات -
فستان زفاف -ملابس اطفال -أكسسوارات -
ملابس 2008 -أزياء صيفية -فساتين -موضة 2009 -
أزياء بنات حلوة 2008 -موضة 2008 -
كولكشن صيفي -فساتين سهرة 2008 -فساتين زفاف 2008 -
موديلات فساتين -فساتين سهرة 2008 -
فساتين روعة 2008 -شورتات -
ديور -عروس -أزياء بنوتيه -ازياء -
فساتين السهرة -قمصان النوم -بلايز -
ازياء خطيره -ازياء نواعم -
أزياء للحوامل -أزياء حوامل -
اكسسوارات -ميك اب -
مكياج -72 -72-p-3 -72-p-5 -
72-p-7 -72-p-9 -
قصات شعر 2008 -مكياج ناعم -صور سلاسل -
مكياج -MaKe Up -
تسريحه روعه -العروس -
دبل الخطوبة -ساعات -
نقوش حنه -صور مكياج -
مكياج بنات ناعم -احلى التسريحات -
احلى القصات -اسرار العطور -
صور ميك اب -صور مكياج -
ميك اب روعه -صيف 2008 -
ميك اب -صور تسريحات 2008 -
تسريحات شعر قصير -تسرحيات شعر طويل -
تسريحات وقصات شعر -تسريحات شعر -قصات شعر -
شنط ماركات -صور مكياج -
تسريحات 2008 -صور احلى مكياج -
مكياج عروس 2008 -أحزمة بنات -
بطاقات زواج -ميك اب ناعم -
مكياج للبنات 2008 -مكياج للبنات -احلى مكياج بنات -
مكياج بنات -ميك اب 2008 -
تسريحة العروس -تسريحات شعر -تسريحات عرايس -
احدث القصات -صبغات 2008 -نضارات شمسيه -
تسريحات -مناكير -
اكسسوارات للبنوتات -احذية كريستيان -
احذية ديور Dior -سلاسل قلوب -
ديكور -غرف نوم -اثاث -
73 --73-p-3 --73-p-5 -
غرف نوم -غرف نوم بنوتيه -ديكورات -غرف نوم وردي -اكسسوار حائط -ورق جدران -
كوشات عروسه -ديكورات ماء -
مطابخ روعة -عالم البنوتات -
عالم البنات -ديكورات روعه -
غرف اطفال -مسابح -مكاتب وجلسات -مغاسل منزليه -
مخدات رومنسية -مغاسل حمام -
مخدات -صور ديكورات مطابخ -
ديكورات مطابخ 2008 -احلى ديكورات مطابخ -
ديكورات حمامات -اثاث 2008 -صور فلل -
ديكورات صالة -قصور واثاث -
معجنات -حلويات -اكلات -مطبخ -
طبخ -38 -
38-p-6 -38-p-9 -38-p-12 -38-p-3 -
38-p-14 -صور حلى -
صور حلويات -عمل بوفيه -
حلويات الجلكسي -حلا جالكسي بالصور -
حلى وحلويات -صور كيك -
صور تورتة - حلويات -اعشاب -
تغذية -رجيم -
طب -صحة -
71 -71-p-5 -
71-p-3 -71-p-7 -
التدليك -المساج -
جميلات العرب -اليسا - -
صور طبيعية -صور قلوب - -
صور رومنسية -بلوتوث مزايين - -البوم صور مزايين - -
صور ماسنجر -وسائط - -
صور حب -
صور بنات -صور بنات للمسن - -
العاب مكياج و ميك اب - -العاب ازياء - -العاب مغامرات - -
العاب بنات - -العاب تلبيس بنات - -العاب باربي - -
العاب بلياردو - -العب - -العاب -

العاب - -العاب فلاش - -66 - -
العاب بنات - -العاب أزياء - -
العاب مكياج - -العاب ميك اب - -
العاب باربي للبنات - - العاب باربي - -
العاب تلبيس - - العاب بنات - -
مكياج ملكة - العاب مكياج - -العاب اميرة - مكياج وميك - -
مكياج باربي كين - العاب - -لعبة مكياج الأميرات العاب - -
مكياج الفتيات العاب - -لعبة كاونتر سترايك -
لعبة مكياج فتاة جميلة -مكياج الورود لعبة مكياج - -
العاب أزياء - العاب بنات -العاب مكياج و ميك اب العاب لعب جديدة وحصرية - -
لعبة سوبر ماريو - -دراجون بول للتحميل لعبة - -
العاب باربي - العاب باربي - -لعبة حرامي السيارات - لعبة GTA - San Andreas - -
تلبيس الجاسوسات الثلاث -العاب بنات - العاب تلبيس -
لعبة تسديد على الزجاجه - -لعبة Medal Of Honor لعبة اتارى العاب فلاش -لعبة الدودة العاب فلاش -
لعبة بلياردو حديثة -لعبة توصيل الطماطم -
ميك اب و اكسسوارات للبنات -لعبة ميك اب متنوع -
ملابس المهنة لعبة للبنات - -لعبة تنس المضرب - -
لعب : ميك اب فتيات - -مكياج شتوي لعبة بالفلاش - -ترتيب غرفة في المنزل -
لعبة اكس او x-o - -لعبة الرجل الطائر -لعبة توم و جيري العاب -
البيت المرعب الفلاشية -تصوير الفنانات لعبة - -صندوق الكنز لعبة فلاشية -
لعبة روليت كازينو -لعبة الصبر - -فري سل لعبة الذكاء -
لعبة بلوت سوليتير -لعبة تركيب القطة بوسى -لعبة كرة قدم فلاشية -لعبة الرجل الأخضرالفلاشية - -لعبة الطائرة المجنونة -
لعبة دهس الناس بالسيارات -لعبة الشبح والاشباح -
لعبة تعليم الطبخ - -لعبة مكياج للبنات -
تلبيس الباربي بالفلاش - -لعبة Prison Break بريزن بريك - -
قيادة دراجة السكوتر من احلى العاب السباقات - -لعبة سباق السرعة - -
سباق سيارات لعبة حلوة - لعبة شطرنج لمحبيها فقط -
العاب فلاش لعبة قتال النينجا - -المحارب اليوناني - -
لعبة مصارعة رومانية -محارب الاشباح تعال اذا - -
لعبة سوبر مان - -قتال الليل لعبة فلاشية -
ماتركس لعبة حلووة -العاب لعب العاب بنات العاب باربي العاب متنوعة العاب اكشن العاب تسلية - -
لعبة اختبر ذاكرتك -مونوبولي لعبة الشراء والاحتكار وعربية - -
لعبة الاختلافات بين الصور - -حرب السفن البحرية - -
من سيربح المليون - -لعبة السلالم - -
قوة الفا لعبة طائرات - -Tribes 3 Vengeance كاملة - -
لعبة الجواهر المتشابهة -حرب السفن لعبة فلاشية - -
لعبة الاعداء - -لعبة الجمباز - -لعبة كرة السله بالشارع -
لعبة ميك اب فلة make up fulla - -لعبة تلبيس بنات - -
لعبة تحدي ودم للرركب اعرف عدوك من حبيبك -
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