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Scranton #1: Obama Rally

Dispatches from the Obama trail: Obama ventured into Hillary territory, quite literally where her father is buried, to Scranton, Pennsylvania tonight and rallied 4,800 eager fans. Under the neon lights of a massive indoor soccer field, Obama also unleashed some of his harshest criticism yet of Clinton, laying out three reasons why he’d make a better nominee:

Difference #1:
“When she talks about experience what she really means is: 'I’ve been around the track quite a few times, I know how it works.’ So she takes more money from Washington lobbyists than any other candidate, Democrat or Republican, because she says, and she said this in a debate recently, that lobbyists are real Americans. Now, I don’t know if any of you have lobbyists in Washington representing you, but I don’t think so… Then this weekend she starts running ads saying, ‘Oh, no, no, he’s actually taking money from these folks,’ even though we have sent back money that was from lobbyists, we sent back money from PACS. But she just ignored the facts. And listen, understand the argument that she’s making. She’s essentially saying: “Yeah, I’m bad but he’s just as bad.’ What kind of argument is that? What kind of inspirational message is that?”

“Difference #2: I think it’s important for the next president to tell the people what they need to hear. Not to say one thing in one place and say another thing in another place depending on what’s politically convenient. I mean, look, we can have a difference about trade policy and Nafta, but what you can’t do is you can’t you can’t campaign on behalf of Nafta when your husband’s the president and then say that you were against Nafta all along when you are running for president. You can’t do that. You can’t say that you’re opposed to the Colombian trade deal and then have your chief strategist lobby to pass the Colombian trade deal. You can’t do that. You can’t be for the war when it’s popular and then when it’s unpopular say I wasn’t voting for the war, I was voting for diplomacy.”

"And, finally, difference #3 (referring indirectly to the ABC debate): I think we need to change the tone and the tenor of our politics so that we’re talking about real problems and no phony controversies. Where we’re trying to unify the country instead of divide it.”


Hillary is scheduled to hold a rally of her own tomorrow morning in Scranton and Karen plans to post on her event. It’ll be interesting to see what her closing argument is to these folks. Scranton, thick with blue-collared white workers, is her stronghold in Pennsylvania – if she loses it she loses the state. It could be diversionary that Obama’s campaigning here -- forcing her to defend it -- but Robert Gibbs told me earlier they’re looking to “draw votes.” They certainly found at least a few at tonight's rally where Obama was introduced by Bob Casey and Caroline Kennedy. Obama called the crowd “feisty” when they kept booing Hillary and they interrupted him a couple of times with chants of "Yes we can!"

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Reader Comments (48)

mdiogu:

Jay, I have to admit that you try your very best to report so that we decide. Thanks for not disrespecting your readers. I hope ABC News will take note.

Obama will get lots of votes in Scranton. I bet he will take enough vote to deprive Clinton of a double digit win in Pa. It could be a tie for all I know.

jayackroyd Author Profile Page:

Can't fault any of that. Not cheap, not personal.

elen:

Good report. I didn't know Caroline Kennedy was out there with Obama. Good deal.

superterrificdelegate:

I have somewhat contradictory theories on what Obama is doing in PA.

1. He has internal polling telling him he is dropping like a rock, so he is campaigning his arse off so as to not get blown out.

2. He has internal polling telling him he has a chance at an upset so he is campaigning his arse off to finish this thing once and for all.

3. Regardless of one and two, he is forcing Clinton to throw all her resources at PA in order to cripple her financially.

Soon, I'll be able to stop having theories.

Rose:

"You can’t say that you’re opposed to the Colombian trade deal and then have your chief strategist lobby to pass the Colombian trade deal." - Well that's a complete lie. She didn't have Penn take a job with the Columbian government. There are fair criticisms to make of Clinton on trade, but suggesting that Penn's lobbying for the Columbian trade deal was somehow on Clinton's behalf is ridiculous.

"She’s essentially saying: “Yeah, I’m bad but he’s just as bad.’ What kind of argument is that? What kind of inspirational message is that?”" - That is such a telling remark. He honestly seems to think in terms of inspirational messages, which may make for more interesting speeches, but those messages are only truly inspirational if they are based on reality. He is essentially saying "I'm just as bad as her, but doesn't it count that I at least try to inspire you?"

And I love the implication that state lobbyists are real Americans, but Washington lobbyists are not. That's really "changing the tone and tenor of our politics."

dj1mt:

LOVE the part about the phony controversies, Obama might wanna let his campaign know about that one...#1, it depends on your definition on what "bad" is...I don't care that Hillary takes money from lobbyist, at least she doesn't try to take the high road and lie to people about it, Obama knows that politics is not about absolutes, and that he would not be where he is if special interests didn't support him...I'm not a lobbyist and I've donated to the Hillary camp, to say that she's ALL lobbyist-funded is an insult to me and all the other small-donors who also donate to her camp...He should know that you can't sling the mud and take the high road at the same time...Same ol' same ol' politics

NoMoreBlatherDotCom Author Profile Page:

In no way is this a "good report". It's simply a transcription with a minor aside thrown in. Anyone can get the same information from reading Obama's site or watching one of his videos. JNS is no better than a transcription service; why Time doesn't simply hire a local service to provide reports and save money is beyond me.

A real reporter would try to ask Obama/Hillary/McCain about the endless line of lies they've made and their endless line of misleading or incomplete statements and policy flaws.

Here's a real easy-to-state question that JNS can ask Obama:

"LouDobbs says you lied about his position on deportations. Can you point me to an example of LouDobbs supporting mass deportations as you claimed, or would you like to revise your earlier statement?"

Note how easy and friendly that is. Surely it shouldn't take much for JNS to come up with the courage to ask it, perhaps after seeking permission from her boss. I, of course, would do it a bit differently, but then again I'm not afraid to confront liars:

"You lied about Lou Dobbs supporting mass deportations. Would you like to take this opportunity to retract your lie?"

Obviously, that's too difficult for a lightweight like those who work for Time, but if a "reporter" can't even ask the first version, are they a reporter at all?

SFBear:

Who cares about Lou Dobbs?

He's a jerk.

oizydoizy:

I'm tired of blue-collared white workers.

I want to hear about white-collared blue workers. You know, professional Smurfs.

awb:

NoMoreBlatherDotCom:

a reporter is supposed to report - not give an editorial
this was a clean good post

aybe you need someone to tell you what to think or maybe you are too young to remember when reporters -- reported

briand:

The coal was mined right out from under Scranton. All that was left to hold up the city were pillars. Often, the mining companies got greedy and even removed the coal pillars, leaving only earth or wood supports to hold up the roofs of the mines. When I was a kid, it was not unusual to read about a hole opening up and swallowing someone's house. From a 2001 article in The Times-Tribune:

For a city once described as "sitting on toothpicks," Scranton seems to forget that the ground above old coal mines sometimes gives way without warning.

It happens, on average, more than 67 times a year in Lackawanna County.

In just the past few years in Scranton, subsidences have occurred on Pittston Avenue, where a couple of homes were damaged, and on Harrison Avenue, where a 15-foot hole swallowed part of a sidewalk and lawn...

In 1960, residents in the 100 block of South 7th Avenue were jolted awake at 3:25 a.m. by the cracking and crashing sound of a mine subsidence. Thirteen homes were damaged and 15 homes evacuated...

About 90 percent of the 95,000 housing units in the county are considered at risk for subsidence. (The Times-Tribune, 07/08/2001)

From a more recent article.

Karen Schreck was cutting the grass deep in her backyard when she noticed something wasn’t right.

Pushing her lawn mower closer, she was startled to be staring at a gaping hole large enough to swallow her car...

The subsidence, measuring six-feet wide by 35-feet deep, opened up sometime between Saturday and Tuesday. It is close to the railroad tracks that abut her property at 519 Meridian Ave.

Emergency crews were called to Ms. Schreck’s home at 8:30 p.m. Tuesday. Inspectors said her home did not seem to be in any danger, she said. (The Times-Tribune, 05/24/2006)

When I was a kid, part of the city smelled of rotten eggs from a coal vein that was slowing burning itself out. The area is riddled with health problems (cancer, respiratory illness, etc.). It's a side of America that the media doesn't talk about. You can't fix a sinkhole by cutting Charlie Gibson's capital gains tax. And it's not just Scranton.

Rick Schultz never knows when the ground underneath him might disappear.

While driving his tractor in a southeast Kansas farm field, Schultz watches for sinkholes. Sometimes the sinkholes happen overnight and sometimes after one lap around the 42-acre field.

“It’s a little bit nerve-racking,” he said. “You have to keep your eyes open....”

The sinkholes are just one of the lingering legacies of coal, lead and zinc mining in southeast Kansas, industries that once rivaled agriculture in that area of the state. But mining also left the land scarred, contaminated with pollutants. The troubles persist.

Fearing that an entire community may be swallowed by the earth, Oklahoma is using federal assistance to evacuate residents of an old mining town. Just across the border, a Kansas community facing the same fate waits on federal bureaucracy for help from the state’s congressional delegation. (Lawrence Journal-World, 20 March 2007)

briand:

When I said, "It's a side of America that the media doesn't talk about," I meant the national press. Responsible coverage of the Pennsylvania primary would explore the economic issues and other hardships facing Pennsylvanians. Instead, it's about bowling scores, polls, ordering orange juice instead of coffee, lapel pins, etc etc.

Cookie Puss Author Profile Page:

Can we deport Lou Dobbs?

stringer:

I hope they listen. I hope they give him credit for venturing into, to say the least, hostile territory.

But who knows? This primary has proven that the braver candidate is not always rewarded.

So who knows. But hey, at least Obama tried.

GySgt213:

WOW!! JNS what a great post. I knew you could do it. You just told what you saw and didn't inject snarky or inaccurate comments into. Now the readers of this post can decide for themselves if the differences Obama stated matter to them or not.

The only thing I would add is you should either follow up on or link to some type of evidence that what Obama said about lobbyists supported or not.

iwannab4change:

Hillary covertly uses the race card and fear mongering to polarize and overtly exploits gender to garnish her candidacy amongst her broken promises.
The nomination should not be about either; it should be competency, trust, and problems facing our nation. This is why I won’t vote for Hillary’s deceptive, polarizing, tactics. Barack, apart from his speech about race, has never engendered race.

Barack doesn’t take money from lobbyist. There is a difference between a person who works as cash station clerk, a secretary, a chemist, or any other employee and a lobbyist of an oil company. I am nurse I gave. Does that mean I am lobbyist?
Think:
(1) Outsourcing of jobs to India and China,
(2) Unanswered questions about Bill Clinton's work to promote the Colombia Free Trade deal
(3) Bosnia and Ireland whoppers
(4) Norman Hsu, $1,100.00 to Hillary
(5) Upcoming Peter Paul fraud trial April 25, 2008 against Hillary for 2000 New York campaign fraud.
(6) 200,000 New York promised but never gotten just like healthcare

Vote Obama

wvng:

I'm going to go against the comment grain a little bit. It was a fine post by JNS. Accurate, concise. That is what we ask of reporters. But what I also like to see from blogging reporters is accurate posts that also include some well reasoned analysis.

Perhaps not necessary on this one, which was pretty straight forward, but blogger snark and commentary is entirely acceptable - and, in fact, the blogger's mainstay. If it is accurate and supportable, it provides color and enhances understanding.

Rustydog:

Well while they are beating up on one another in the Democrat Primary, McCain is diligently collecting money and looking very Presidential. Soon these same voters will have the decision to choose between McCain and one of these baffoons.

I have been confident that eventually Obama will prevail over Clinton, she is just too polarizing and moderate for the MoveOn.Org crowd.

Yes issues are extremely important to all of us, but so is character and judgment by an eventual President.

Empty words backed by nothing, attempting to be moderate when you are the MOST liberal Senator of them all is just not going to make it in November.

Flip-flopping on issues will not win any votes that count.

Voting democrat = MORE Tax and Spend entitlement programs, MORE money out of your hard-earned wages each day/week/month, and a CUT and RUN policy for Iraq. THIS is what Barak HUSSEIN Obama brings to the table.

SNOBama '08 / Rev Wright, WRONG for America!!!!!!!!!

jayackroyd Author Profile Page:

"You can’t say that you’re opposed to the Colombian trade deal and then have your chief strategist lobby to pass the Colombian trade deal." -

Rose, what are you saying he should have said that would have been more accurate? "You can't credibly say you're opposed to the Colombian trade deal when your chief strategist meets his Colombian client to discuss getting the trade deal through, in his off hours."?

It's entirely fair to call into question the sincerity of Clinton's views on this question, and to note that her claiming credit for Bill's administration means that she gets to own NAFTA too.

Just as it was entirely fair to call Obama's sincerity on Iraq into question based on Power's statements. (One of the benefits of this extended campaign is that they have both, IMO, been forced into positions they do not really support, but will not be able to back away from in office.)

The 3 Stages of Stupid:

1. Clinton

2. Carter

3. Obama

Like Clinton and Carter, Skippy Obama's inability to separate himself from the SCUMBAGS of the Global Gutter will not only continue to be a campaign issue, it will in fact cost him the election in November.

Then flaky Michelle can go back to Reverend Wrong's spiritual couch with a less proud heart.

What IS is.

Paul Dirks Author Profile Page:

McCain is diligently collecting money and looking very Presidential.

Meanwhile McCain is violating his own camaign finance law and doing his best to kneecap Obama by spreading the worst of the echo-chamber smears.

I suppose that's Presidential....If you're Richard Nixon....

QUESTION HILLARY Author Profile Page:

Qwexchun for the Obamites:

Was Skippy's alleged insistence (before he was ever elected a U.S. Senator available to actually vote Present on the issue) that we not go back into Iraq in force based on his easy breezy willingness to not free the slaves of Saddam and the thug Baathists -- or from his basic unwillingness to tip over the brazen oil-for-EU deals of funds master realtor Rezko?

To Ayers IS humus, to withhold Obama, eh?

And you thought Al Franken was the only terrorist sycophant running in November.

Rose:

"Rose, what are you saying he should have said that would have been more accurate? "You can't credibly say you're opposed to the Colombian trade deal when your chief strategist meets his Colombian client to discuss getting the trade deal through, in his off hours."?" - jayackroyd, of course he doesn't have to go that far. But even allowing for standard political exaggeration, saying that Clinton had Penn lobby for the Columbian trade deal was a complete fabrication. It was the "have" that really crossed the line. If he had even just said, "when your chief strategist lobbies for the Columbian trade deal," I wouldn't have complained.

And as I said in my first post, there are fair criticisms to make about Clinton and trade. This is just not one of them.

SFBear:

It's pretty clear to me that Obama used "have" as shorthand for "have a situation where."

Let's don't descend into the same trivialities we lambast the press for.

Paul Dirks Author Profile Page:

Thank you SF for making it clear....lest we descend into what 'is' is.


FastEddie:

Would it be asking too much for somebody at the major news mag's political blog to pick up on this story?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a72L7_AJ5P9c&refer=home

Some choice excerpts:

"John McCain's plan to cut taxes and balance the budget wins praise from fellow Republicans. Economists and nonpartisan analysts say his numbers don't add up."

"Robert Bixby, executive director of the Washington-based Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan group that advocates budget restraint, said ``the huge imbalance'' in McCain's plan ``is that the tax cuts are specific and large and the spending cuts are small and vague.''

Once, McCain was a deficit hawk, Bixby said, but ``strange things happen when people run for president.''"

"Ultimately, said Stan Collender, a former analyst for the House and Senate budget committees, it would take substantial cuts to Medicare and Social Security to balance the budget with the tax cuts McCain is proposing.

Even then, ``there's no way McCain could balance it by the time he leaves, unless he doesn't leave for 25 years,'' Collender said."

converse:

Good post. Hillary's Goldwater-lovin' Dad would be rolling in his grave if he knew what she was up to. On second thought, maybe not; she's getting closer to becoming a Rethug every day.

Can we massively deport Lou Dobbs? Maybe we can get the candidates to add it to their "laundry lists".

53_3:

"...MOST liberal Senator of them all is just not going to make it in November. Flip-flopping on issues will not win any votes that count."

And just WHO is the ultimate flip flop, rustypooch? DON'T tell me it isn't the Ultra Neo Moderate Conservative Warmonger Peace Maker Anti Pro Torture Tax More And Less Help Keep American Jobs Sell 'em Off To The Highest Bidder Young Old John McCain!

AND, you don't even know what a liberal is anyway! Have some content, at least.

"Voting democrat
= MORE Tax and Spend entitlement programs,"

Yeah. Riiiiight. ALL of 16 highest deficits were by who? Republicans, you say? What was that about tax and spend? Hmmmmmmmmm? Do I hear a rather loud fart in the wind?

"MORE money out of your hard-earned wages each day/week/month,"

Yeah. Riiiiight. How do you say this in India? The Phillipines? Yup!

Where, oh where has our manufacturing base gone...

A Hyuh! A Hyuh! A Hyuh!

"and a CUT and RUN policy for Iraq."

What a stupid idiot you are, Rusty the Wonder Pooch! Can you say "Vietnam"?

A Hyuh! A Hyuh! A Hyuh!

"THIS is what Barak HUSSEIN Obama brings to the table."

A Hyuh! A Hyuh! A Hyuh!
Vote McCain! A Hyuh! A Hyuh! A Hyuh!

Floridian:

All this back and forth between Obama and Clinton supporter is wonderful, however the truth is Hillary Clinton is basically out of money and running in the red.

She could win Pennsylvania by 15 and yet find her money sources have dried up.. Her campaign is almost on life support.

What she has proven is that if she is unable to run her campaign effectively (that includes planning for the unexpected, planning to run a full campaign, choosing a campaign staff that is not in perpetual war with itself and putting together a fundraising operation that will last through the primary season) she can not run the country.

Hopefully Senator Obama will choose a capable woman (other than Hillary - sorry) for his VP.

The shame is that like Bill Clinton, Hillary has so much talent she just chooses badly.

53_3:

The 3 Stages of Stupid:

1. Clinton

2. Carter

3. Obama

4...

...

216,741...

216,742. Question Hillary

Rose:

SFBear, I'm not Obama's biggest fan, but he is undoubtedly eloquent. There is no way that he is unaware of the fact that "have an employee do something," doesn't mean the same thing as "have an employee who does something."

For example, saying that a boss has their employee beat someone up is completely different from saying that a boss has an employee who beat someone up. I'm convinced that Obama - an Ivy league educated lawyer - would understand that the difference between those two statements is the difference between criminal guilt and innocence.

We do need to focus more on substantive issues, but dishonesty is a real issue. And claiming that Obama wasn't intentionally being dishonest, and was merely unaware of a basic rule of the English language is not helping to improve the tone and substance of politics.

Ironically, there are many valid criticisms Obama could have made of Clinton's record on trade. But that shouldn't excuse Obama's deceptive and invalid criticisms.

ivb:

Now, I don’t know if any of you have lobbyists in Washington representing you, but I don’t think so…

Well, as a matter of fact, I do. The American Library Association is headquartered in Chicago and maintains an office in Washington for lobbying. (Informational as a 501C3 and with a separate funded foundation for partisan purposes.) He has been using this "I don't take money from lobbyists" as a tactic, which if positions were exactly reversed would be thrown up as a smear by Hillary.

I see why he has chosen to bash her on NAFTA - however, I'll bet he expects Michelle to support in public major initiatives of his even if she has opposed them in private. Remember how Hillary was trashed as first lady for being an independent woman -- just imagine what it would have been like if she had openly opposed her husband on policy. I saw Plouffe yesterday insist that her calendar pages as first lady indicated her support. They actually indicate she had meetings. They don't transcribe what was said in the meetings. Although I'm not trying to say that in those she would have openly spoken out against his policy. Just that he can't claim to know what was really said.

I think his campaign has helped enormously to paint the picture of Hillary as a scheming wicked person. A reporter from the Daily News asked him how he supported his campaign in those daily calls, etc. doing just as much smearing of Clinton while he simply claimed to stay above it. He responded that it was the way things worked and he tried to indicate he didn't approve of that sort of thing to his campaign. A new kind of politics indeed.

Paul Dirks Author Profile Page:

If I had my foot run over by a truck, it wouldn't be because I directed it.

It's a perfectly common English construction and you (Rose) are picking nits and reading way more into it than is actually there.

Just my 0.02 USD.

Paul Dirks Author Profile Page:

He had his teeth knocked out by the opposing player.
She had her dress soaked by the car that drove through the puddle.

Actually, you could have a lot of fun thinking up other examples.

Southern Bell:

It will certainly be a new kind of politics if McCain and Obama's surrogates do the dirty work while the candidates say they disapprove of what is being doen in their name.

ivb, that is an excellent point and one very few in the MSM have brought up.

Time4Tolerance:

Obama is desperate. He got whupped at the debate and now everyone knows he is an empty suit and not capable of saving us from Bush.

Hillary!
Hillary!

Hillary has always been proud of America.

Hillary and Bill will take us back to the glory days of the 1990s!!

Abomination will take us nowhere but to more Bush and higher gas prices and war without end, amen.

Rose:

Paul Dirks, but if I had a truck run over your foot, I would be directing it. And that's not a threat, just an example! Anyway, I think you actually do know the difference between active and passive voice - if you were sincerely unaware of this basic rule of the English language your posts would be filled with grammatical errors.

I can accept that maybe some people are unfamiliar with this basic rule - although I can't immediately think of any adult native English speaker who doesn't know it - but Obama is not among them. Running on being the best orator since Kennedy and claiming ignorance of basic rules of the English language is dishonest. Although it's his supporters who are advancing this contradiction; I don't have the highest opinion of Obama, but he wouldn't go as far as you and SFBear are. It's not Obama's style to play dumb.

ivb, great point. And it's interesting to note that Obama's explanation for saying in 2004 that he may have voted for the Iraq War if he had been in the Senate is that he was supporting Kerry at the time.

Time4Tolerance:

Obama is no more a great orator than Shrub is. Once you get Obama off his teleprompter and his speeches written by someone else you see that he is almost as inept as shrub. Almost. Hillary on the other hand is a master at extemporaneous speech and is the true inspirational speaker.

NoMoreBlatherDotCom Author Profile Page:

awb's idea of what reporting is is completely off. Reporters aren't supposed to simply be transcription services. People may have noticed them occasionally trying to ask questions, and in fact many news sources promote themselves as the ones asking the "tough questions" and "digging for the truth" and the like. For an example, look at a White House press conference, the ones with reporters asking questions and not simply writing down what spokesmen say.

I shouldn't have had to say that, but I guess I do.

And, that's followed by no less than three commenters (presumably different people) saying in effect "Lou Dobbs bad man", as if because they don't like him it's OK that Obama lied about him.

As for Time's "reporters", I'd be willing to bet $100 that I've asked tougher questions than any of them have, and I'm just a blogger. Here's an example.

Anyone who supporters reporters simply acting as a transcription service and thinks it's acceptable that candidates lie and aren't called on their lies should consider the possibility that they'd probably feel better in a more totalitarian society.

ny nick:

Obama's claim about Lobbyist is always reported with "Obama doesn't take PAC money". While that's true, it's not always been true. He took plenty of PAC money when he was running for the senate and his presidential exploratory committee took PAC money too. People should know that fact too. When he attacks Hillary over PAC money, he implies that these Lobbyists and PAC's will want something in return. Don't the PAC's who got Obama here think the same thing about him?

Time4Tolerance:

ny nick - be careful - some of the obamabots here are going to call you a racist because you did not praise him whose name is Obama the Uniter and savior of america. Don't you understnad by now that even when Obama does something wrong or is hypocritical that it is neither wrong nor hypocritical because it is Obama?

Kontar1@yahoo.com:

Once again white people Don’t understand blacks.
They keep saying that Obama cant win some white men and women and belive that they can do anything and the black vote will be there,well they are wrong.
we have a new black with pride if they do it we will wait 4 more you it wont matter.

RfilmTV:

McCain, Obama, and Clinton & the Kentucky Derby -- spooky metaphors

Can we admit the obvious IRONY and potential prophecy the parallels between Clinton and her tragic horse pick Eight Belles.

The term "Eight bells" can be a way of saying that a sailor's watch is over, for instance, in his or her obituary.

(It's a nautical euphemism for "finished", Mrs. Clinton -- nice pick)

Why is Hillary parallel to filly Eight Belles?

1) Hillary will stop at NOTHING even if it hurts herself and her party and she is not fit to go the much longer track of this particular race.

2) They both are fillies running against a powerful herd of massive colts. Crossing the finish line is not the only goal here. Surviving is another.

3) Hillary wanted everyone to bet for Eight Belles to win simply because she was female -- and everyone who trusted her lost.

4) The jockey tried to stop Eight Belles but she refused -- she kept running and running... until a sickening "pop" and it was over.

5) The filly was fatally crippled, so they euthanized her. Will this happen to America and her potential presidency?

6) Will all fillies have a hard time running in the "big race" hereafter?

7) Was it the new "artificial turf" that did her in?

Our new world turf takes brute strength, respect and longevity.

I bet on the sure thing Big Brown and I won.

I'm betting on Obama because I don't want a spooked war horse like McCain.

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مركز التحميل - -
صور - -
العاب لعب العب - -
لعب - -
العاب - -
لعب العب - -
hguf - -
العب - -
منتديات برامج نت - 70 - ثيمات -
خلفيات - العاب الجوال - ثيم رومنسي مهند ونور -
ثيم مهند وهو حاضن نور - ثيمات رومانسية للبنوتات -
ثيمات رومانسية بنات - ثيمات حب حلوة -
ثيم مهند التركي - ثيم نور -
ثيم حب نور ومهند - ثيم مسلسل لوست -
ثيمات افلام ومشاهير - ثيم نور ومهند -ثيمات لميس -
ثيمات مسلسل نور -ثيم مهند ونور -
ثيمات رومانسيه -ثيمات E61 -
ثيمات بنات رومنسيه -ثيم سنوات الضياع -
ثيمات طبيعية -ثيمات N92 -
ثيمات للبنات2008 -ثيمات N95 -
ثيمات نوكيا -ثيمات n80 -ثيمات n93 -
ثيمات اطفال -ثيمات منوعة -تصميم ثيمات -
ثيمات بنات -ثيمات طبيعة -ثيمات كرتون -
ثيمات بنات N73 -العاب نوكيا -
ثيمات رومنسية نوكيا - ثيمات الجيل الثالث -
23 - 23-p-3 - 23-p-6 -
نغمات -برامج نوكيا -برامج جوال -
برامج نوكيا N73 -نغمات -
برامج الجيل الثالث -العاب جوال -العاب نوكيا -
ثيمات2008 -نوكيا n95 -
نغمات ماجد المهندس -ماسنجر8 للجوال -الحارس الذكي n73 -نغمات عربي -نغمات MP3 -ماسنجر للجوال -65 - 65-p-3 -
65-p-5 -65-p-7 -رسائل جوال -مسجات -
رسايل وسائط -sms -
مسجات نصية -وسائط Mms -
صور وسائط -وسائط رومنسية -صور رومانسيه -
وسائط رومانسيه -مسجات شوق -وسائط بنات -رسائل حب -
وسائط حب -رسائل غرام -
وسائط حب رومانسية -وسائط شوق -وسائط حب وعشق -
وسائط حلوة -مسجات عتاب -
رسائل عتاب -مسجات نور ومهند -
مسجات وسائط -مسجات رومانسية -
وسائط حب رومانسية -مسجات اسلامية -
مسجات حب وغرام -رسائل غرام -
رسائل حب -مسجات حب -mms -وسائط ررومنسية روعة -رسائل مقالب -رسايل جديده -وسائط mms منوعة -
مسجات رومنسية -رسائل جوال -مسجات شعرية -وسائط دينية -مسجات استهبال -
مسجات حلوه -جميلات العرب -اليسا -
صور طبيعية -صور قلوب -
صور رومنسية -بلوتوث مزايين -
البوم صور مزايين - صور ماسنجر -
وسائط - صور حب -صور بنات -
صور بنات للمسن - العاب مكياج و ميك اب -
العاب ازياء - العاب مغامرات -
العاب بنات - العاب تلبيس بنات - العاب باربي -
العاب بلياردو - العب - العاب -


طرب وفن -طرب -فن -
10 -10-p-4 -
10-p-7 -10-p-13 -
10-p-10 -10-p-15 -10-p-20 -10-p-25 -
10-p-26 -فيديو كليب -فيديو كليب عربي -
فيديو كليب انجليزي -جميلات الهند -جميلات الاجانب -
صورة ميريام فارس -صوره شيماء علي -صور من كليب مهند ورولا -
فضايح مهند -فضائح -فضيحة مهند بطل مسلسل نور -صور نور -
صور منزل نور -صور ولادة نور في مسلسل نور التركي -
نجمة مسلسل نور التركي -صور Beren Saat خطيبة يحيى -صور يحيى -مهند شاذ -
اغاني سنوات الضياع -صور مهند ونور رومنسية -صور رومانسية نور ومهند -
صور مهند بطل مسلسل نور التركي -نهاية مسلسل نور -صور اليسا -
فيديو كليب تامر حسني - هي دي -العروسة فيديو كليب ماجد 2008 -صور فاردن وكارينا -
صور مي عز الدين 2008 -نيشان مقدم العراب -صور لميس -
صور لميس ويحيى -لحن اغنيه مسلسل سنوات الضياع -نؤاس اموري ياشمعتي -
صور بنت سعودية -صور اميشا -نجمة بوليوود -
صور لميس بطلة مسلسل سنوات الضياع -صور لميس نجمة سنوات الضياع -
سنوات الضياع -صور مهند بطل مسلسل نور -
يارا صدفة -تحبني ولا تحب الدراهم -
فضايح استار اكاديمي -هيفاء وهبي -
صور كاميرون دياز -احلام في العراب - البوم راشد و أحبابه -دومينك حوري الخاشوقة -
نانسي عجرم -فستان اليسا -
مركز تحميل - تحميل مفات -
تحميلت صور - تحميل -
صور - صور مضحكة -
باسكال مشعلاني -نانسي عجرم -
الين خلف -امل حجازي -
ديانا حداد -دارين حدشيتي -
ماري جوزي حنين -صور ديانا كرزون -
اريام -جميلات العرب -
مريام فارس -صور برق ورعد -
اليسا - صور طبيعية -
صور قلوب - صور رومنسية -
صور ماسنجر -وسائط -

صور بنات -صور بنات للمسن -
صور اشجار - صور حب -
صور شواطىء و بحار - صور سحـاب وغيوم -
صور أطفال - صور حيوانات -
صور إسلامية - صور منوعة -
صور خيول - صور متحركة -
صور رجالية للتصاميم - صور نسائية للتصاميم -
صور اطفال للتصاميم - صور شلالات وانهار -
صور قلوب - صور منوعة للتصاميم -
صور من تصويرك - صور وسائط MMS -
صور مرعبة - صور الأنمي -
صور رومنسية - صور دببة -
صور هدايا - صور سيارات -
صور خلفيات - صور ورد و زهور -
وسائط - صور شموع -
جميلات الاجانب - صور مسن كرتونية -
جوجو - اشلي سيمبسون -
هيلاري دوف - افرل لوفين -
جيسيكا البا - جورج كلوني -
جينيفر لوبيز - جينيفر آنستون - كرستينا اغوليرا -
ساندار بولوك - جوليا روبرتس -
آنجلينا جولي - تاركان -
برادبيت - توم كروز -
كيانو ريفز - مارك ولبرغ -
ريكي مارتن - انريكي ايجلاسيز -
جميلات الهند - صور حزينة -
صور الكاركتير - صور رجالية للتصاميم -
صور احترافية للتصاميم - صور تصاميم -
صور تصاميم وتواقيع - صور ماسنجر -
صور قلوب للمسن -صور مسن كتابية -
منوعات ماسنجر -صور مناسبات واسلاميات للمسن -
صور ايدي وارجل للمسن -صور اطفال مسن -
صور فنانين للماسنجر -صور بنات للمسن -
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ازياء موضة فساتين
مكياج ميك اب اكسسوارات ديكور غرف نوم
اثاث طبخ مطبخ حلويات اكلات معجنات تغذية صحة طب
شعر قصايد خواطر عذب الكلام
قصص روايات طرب رجة مسابقات صرقعة صور بلوتوث و مقاطع فيديو بلوتوث العاب فلاش صور انمي افلام انمي عدسة التصوير
افلام عربية و مسلسلات مسلسلات اجنبية تلفزيونية افلام عربية و افلام اجنبية و مسلسلات تلفزيونية برامج كمبيوتر فوتوشوب ثيمات - العاب الجوال - خلفيات برامج نوكيا - نغمات - برامج جوال رسائل جوال - مسجات - رسايل وسائط - sms مسنجر - برامج ماسنجر - توبيكات دروس التصميم
ملحقات التصميم
بلوتوث
-
برامج نوكيا
-كورة -صور -
مسنجر - طرب -
العاب -
قصص - مكياج - موضة
- ديكور
- وسائط
- برامج
-افلام -
مقاطع فيديو
-
مواضيع ساخنة
-ثيمات
جوال
-نغمات -
افلام انمي
-خواطر -
العاب جوال
-افلام
عربية
-ازياء - صور
انمي
-
سياحة
-مسلسلات اجنبية -
شعر -اناشيد -
توبيكات
-رسائل
جوال
-تصاميم
شات
شات الرياض
بنت حواء
بنت نجد
عروسة
عروس
العاب شمس
صور رومنسيه
صور جميلة
احلى رومانسيه
منتديات بيت حواء -
ازياء - -فساتين زفاف 2008 -
موضة -فساتين -
6 -6-p-4 -6-p-9 -6-p-12 -أجمل فساتين -
فساتين بنات -فساتين ناعمة -
بيجامات ناعمه -فساتين قصيرة -
قمصان نومفساتين -
ملابس ناعمه -بجامات بنوتات -
فستان زفاف -ملابس اطفال -أكسسوارات -
ملابس 2008 -أزياء صيفية -فساتين -موضة 2009 -
أزياء بنات حلوة 2008 -موضة 2008 -
كولكشن صيفي -فساتين سهرة 2008 -فساتين زفاف 2008 -
موديلات فساتين -فساتين سهرة 2008 -
فساتين روعة 2008 -شورتات -
ديور -عروس -أزياء بنوتيه -ازياء -
فساتين السهرة -قمصان النوم -بلايز -
ازياء خطيره -ازياء نواعم -
أزياء للحوامل -أزياء حوامل -
اكسسوارات -ميك اب -
مكياج -72 -72-p-3 -72-p-5 -
72-p-7 -72-p-9 -
قصات شعر 2008 -مكياج ناعم -صور سلاسل -
مكياج -MaKe Up -
تسريحه روعه -العروس -
دبل الخطوبة -ساعات -
نقوش حنه -صور مكياج -
مكياج بنات ناعم -احلى التسريحات -
احلى القصات -اسرار العطور -
صور ميك اب -صور مكياج -
ميك اب روعه -صيف 2008 -
ميك اب -صور تسريحات 2008 -
تسريحات شعر قصير -تسرحيات شعر طويل -
تسريحات وقصات شعر -تسريحات شعر -قصات شعر -
شنط ماركات -صور مكياج -
تسريحات 2008 -صور احلى مكياج -
مكياج عروس 2008 -أحزمة بنات -
بطاقات زواج -ميك اب ناعم -
مكياج للبنات 2008 -مكياج للبنات -احلى مكياج بنات -
مكياج بنات -ميك اب 2008 -
تسريحة العروس -تسريحات شعر -تسريحات عرايس -
احدث القصات -صبغات 2008 -نضارات شمسيه -
تسريحات -مناكير -
اكسسوارات للبنوتات -احذية كريستيان -
احذية ديور Dior -سلاسل قلوب -
ديكور -غرف نوم -اثاث -
73 --73-p-3 --73-p-5 -
غرف نوم -غرف نوم بنوتيه -ديكورات -غرف نوم وردي -اكسسوار حائط -ورق جدران -
كوشات عروسه -ديكورات ماء -
مطابخ روعة -عالم البنوتات -
عالم البنات -ديكورات روعه -
غرف اطفال -مسابح -مكاتب وجلسات -مغاسل منزليه -
مخدات رومنسية -مغاسل حمام -
مخدات -صور ديكورات مطابخ -
ديكورات مطابخ 2008 -احلى ديكورات مطابخ -
ديكورات حمامات -اثاث 2008 -صور فلل -
ديكورات صالة -قصور واثاث -
معجنات -حلويات -اكلات -مطبخ -
طبخ -38 -
38-p-6 -38-p-9 -38-p-12 -38-p-3 -
38-p-14 -صور حلى -
صور حلويات -عمل بوفيه -
حلويات الجلكسي -حلا جالكسي بالصور -
حلى وحلويات -صور كيك -
صور تورتة - حلويات -اعشاب -
تغذية -رجيم -
طب -صحة -
71 -71-p-5 -
71-p-3 -71-p-7 -
التدليك -المساج -
جميلات العرب -اليسا - -
صور طبيعية -صور قلوب - -
صور رومنسية -بلوتوث مزايين - -البوم صور مزايين - -
صور ماسنجر -وسائط - -
صور حب -
صور بنات -صور بنات للمسن - -
العاب مكياج و ميك اب - -العاب ازياء - -العاب مغامرات - -
العاب بنات - -العاب تلبيس بنات - -العاب باربي - -
العاب بلياردو - -العب - -العاب -


العاب - -العاب فلاش - -66 - -
العاب بنات - -العاب أزياء - -
العاب مكياج - -العاب ميك اب - -
العاب باربي للبنات - - العاب باربي - -
العاب تلبيس - - العاب بنات - -
مكياج ملكة - العاب مكياج - -العاب اميرة - مكياج وميك - -
مكياج باربي كين - العاب - -لعبة مكياج الأميرات العاب - -
مكياج الفتيات العاب - -لعبة كاونتر سترايك -
لعبة مكياج فتاة جميلة -مكياج الورود لعبة مكياج - -
العاب أزياء - العاب بنات -العاب مكياج و ميك اب العاب لعب جديدة وحصرية - -
لعبة سوبر ماريو - -دراجون بول للتحميل لعبة - -
العاب باربي - العاب باربي - -لعبة حرامي السيارات - لعبة GTA - San Andreas - -
تلبيس الجاسوسات الثلاث -العاب بنات - العاب تلبيس -
لعبة تسديد على الزجاجه - -لعبة Medal Of Honor لعبة اتارى العاب فلاش -لعبة الدودة العاب فلاش -
لعبة بلياردو حديثة -لعبة توصيل الطماطم -
ميك اب و اكسسوارات للبنات -لعبة ميك اب متنوع -
ملابس المهنة لعبة للبنات - -لعبة تنس المضرب - -
لعب : ميك اب فتيات - -مكياج شتوي لعبة بالفلاش - -ترتيب غرفة في المنزل -
لعبة اكس او x-o - -لعبة الرجل الطائر -لعبة توم و جيري العاب -
البيت المرعب الفلاشية -تصوير الفنانات لعبة - -صندوق الكنز لعبة فلاشية -
لعبة روليت كازينو -لعبة الصبر - -فري سل لعبة الذكاء -
لعبة بلوت سوليتير -لعبة تركيب القطة بوسى -لعبة كرة قدم فلاشية -لعبة الرجل الأخضرالفلاشية - -لعبة الطائرة المجنونة -
لعبة دهس الناس بالسيارات -لعبة الشبح والاشباح -
لعبة تعليم الطبخ - -لعبة مكياج للبنات -
تلبيس الباربي بالفلاش - -لعبة Prison Break بريزن بريك - -
قيادة دراجة السكوتر من احلى العاب السباقات - -لعبة سباق السرعة - -
سباق سيارات لعبة حلوة - لعبة شطرنج لمحبيها فقط -
العاب فلاش لعبة قتال النينجا - -المحارب اليوناني - -
لعبة مصارعة رومانية -محارب الاشباح تعال اذا - -
لعبة سوبر مان - -قتال الليل لعبة فلاشية -
ماتركس لعبة حلووة -العاب لعب العاب بنات العاب باربي العاب متنوعة العاب اكشن العاب تسلية - -
لعبة اختبر ذاكرتك -مونوبولي لعبة الشراء والاحتكار وعربية - -
لعبة الاختلافات بين الصور - -حرب السفن البحرية - -
من سيربح المليون - -لعبة السلالم - -
قوة الفا لعبة طائرات - -Tribes 3 Vengeance كاملة - -
لعبة الجواهر المتشابهة -حرب السفن لعبة فلاشية - -
لعبة الاعداء - -لعبة الجمباز - -لعبة كرة السله بالشارع -
لعبة ميك اب فلة make up fulla - -لعبة تلبيس بنات - -
لعبة تحدي ودم للرركب اعرف عدوك من حبيبك -
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