March 20, 2008 12:09
Obama Release on Clinton Schedules; Obama Conference Call
Whoever told reporters that HRC's schedules held "no smoking guns" must posses a somewhat insensitive fire alarm. The Obama campaign sees things quite differently and is particularly eager to set a match to the documentation of the First Lady's involvement in pushing through NAFTA:
AP -- She also was an early champion of the North American Free Trade Agreement that she now criticizes in her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination. The papers show her holding at least five meetings in 1993 aimed at helping win congressional approval of the deal. [Link]
ABC -- One interesting event in Sen. Hillary Clinton's just-released schedules from the 1990s comes on Nov. 10 1993, when the former first lady was to serve as the closing act during a briefing on NAFTA, the trade agreement she now assails…"It wasn’t a drop-by it was organized around her participation," said one attendee. "Her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA and what a good thing it would be for the economy. There was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time. Folks were pleased that she came by. If this is a still a question about what Hillary's position when she was First Lady, she was totally supportive if NAFTA. [Link]
The HRC campaign disputes this particular account, and went so far as to sic David Gergen on ABC's Jake Tapper, who obliges, but adds a good footnote:
The Clinton campaign has asked that I post this recent quote on CNN from Mr. Gergen, referenced above, saying, "I was actually there in the Clinton White House during the NAFTA fight and I must tell you Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA. And I think that’s putting it mildly. I’m not sure she objected to all the provisions of it but she just didn’t see why her husband and that White House had to go and do that fight. She was very unhappy about it and wanted to move on to health care. So I do think there’s some justification for her camp saying, you know, she’s never been a great backer for NAFTA."
It's long-established that Hillary Clinton wanted to tackle health care before NAFTA. I don't know that that necessarily undermines the idea that she supported NAFTA. But if she didn't, then why was she telling this room full of businesswomen how great it would be for the economy?
I'm not sure why Clinton feels the need to dispute whether or not she was for NAFTA at the time* -- she refuses to apologize for her support for the war, after all, arguably a decision that has had just as a profound impact on the country and the world. If she's changed her mind -- as she has, she says, on many signature issues of her husband's administration -- that seems less pressing than explaining what, exactly, she'd do about NAFTA now. This "trade time-out" business seems less like a solution than a platitude. A somewhat condescending one at that. And then there's the question of whether she -- or Obama -- are serious about doing anything at all...
*Of course, her involvement in NAFTA is one of the few concrete examples of her being active in policy proposals beyond health care, so, yeah, I guess she's in kind of a bind. Would HRC have been better off not emphasizing her "experience" in the White House to start with, and instead focused on her objectively successful Senate career? Or would that have made her just another junior senator, this one without "a great speech" to fall back on? If that seems like a stupid question, I'm sure you'll let me know.
Full Obama release after the jump. Oh, and there's an Obama conference call -- on NAFTA -- in a few minutes. Suggested Qs welcome!
Hillary Clinton's schedules as First Lady have finally allowed for the actual vetting of her foreign policy experience (consistent absence during important moments), her undeniable advocacy for NAFTA (at least five meetings to promote it) and a real look at how much work she did to push the Family and Medical Leave Act (none that can be discerned).
As for 3:00 AM phone calls, it doesn’t even appear there were even any 3 PM foreign policy calls of note.
Here’s a roundup early findings from the White House schedules.
KEEPING BUSY ADVOCATING FOR NAFTA
AP -- She also was an early champion of the North American Free Trade Agreement that she now criticizes in her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination. The papers show her holding at least five meetings in 1993 aimed at helping win congressional approval of the deal. [Link] <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080320/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_papers;_ylt=AvRapsRtfNtOqPhrQ6uBldqs0NUE>
ABC -- One interesting event in Sen. Hillary Clinton's just-released schedules from the 1990s comes on Nov. 10 1993, when the former first lady was to serve as the closing act during a briefing on NAFTA, the trade agreement she now assails…"It wasn’t a drop-by it was organized around her participation," said one attendee. "Her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA and what a good thing it would be for the economy. There was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time. Folks were pleased that she came by. If this is a still a question about what Hillary's position when she was First Lady, she was totally supportive if NAFTA. [Link] <http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/clintons-1993-n.html>
NOT AROUND FOR RED-PHONE MOMENTS
AP -- Clinton says her years as first lady equip her to handle foreign policy and national security as president. But the schedules show trips packed with plainly traditional activities for a first lady, along with some substance. For example, in her January 1994 visit to Russia with her husband, her schedule is focused on events with other wives. She sat in on a birthing class at a hospital, toured a cathedral and joined prominent women in a lunch of blinis with caviar and salmon. [Link] <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080320/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_papers_26>
LA Times -- Federal archivists on Wednesday released 11,000 pages of schedules from Hillary Rodham Clinton's eight years as first lady, but the material offers little to support her assertion that her White House experience left her best prepared to become president. [Link] <http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-clinton20mar20,0,2219333.story?page=1>
New York Times -- The documents offer no support for her claims, made during the presidential campaign, that she helped to negotiate the Irish peace accords or facilitated the flow of refugees in the Balkans. [Link] <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/us/politics/19cnd-archives.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin>
New York Sun -- But on many occasions abroad, Mrs. Clinton served as little more than a companion to her husband, the records indicate; several speeches and other overseas presidential events that she attended contain a parenthetical notation at the bottom of the schedule that Mrs. Clinton "has no formal role." [Link] <http://www.nysun.com/article/73254>
Washington Post -- In the schedules for Clinton's foreign travels, it was difficult to discern the foreign policy substance that might have been involved. A week-long trip to Africa in early 1997, for example, consisted largely of tours of schools, clinics and tourist sites. Every stop featured a 15- to 45-minute "courtesy visit" with the head of government (usually including the leader's wife and Chelsea Clinton) but with no mention of substantive foreign policy issues. Yet such trips form much of the basis for the Clinton campaign's claim that she has interacted with more than 80 foreign leaders…In Japan, the schedule shows, she was shepherded around with ambassadors' wives and other G-7 spouses to museums, gardens, theaters, dinners and teas. The only policy item on the schedule was a visit to a Tokyo incineration plant for an environmental lecture, and she was taken there "via spousal bus," according to the documents. A subsequent stop in South Korea featured more of the same. [Link] <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/19/AR2008031901317_pf.html>
The Guardian -- On the day that dozens of US cruise missiles rained down on Serbia in an attempt to punish Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic for the country's onslaught against ethnic Albanian separatists in Kosovo, first lady Hillary Clinton was far from the White House war room: instead she was touring ancient Egyptian ruins, including King Tut's tomb and the temple of Hatshepsut. And on the day before the signing of the Good Friday agreement in Belfast she was at an event called "Hats on for Bella" in Washington. In her bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton has touted her experience in the Clinton White House as preparation to lead the nation in a time of crisis. "Ready on day one" has been her slogan. But an initial reading of some of the more than 11,000 pages of Clinton's schedules from her days as first lady, released today by the National Archives and the William Jefferson Clinton Presidential Library, shows that she was often far from the site of decision-making during some of the most pivotal events of Bill Clinton's presidency. [Link] <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/hillaryclinton.uselections20081>
AND WHAT ABOUT “HELPING TO PASS” FMLA?
New York Times -- Neither is there evidence in them to back up her claim that she helped pass the Family and Medical Leave Act, the first legislation Mr. Clinton signed as president. The legislation, sponsored by Senator Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut, sailed through Congress and landed on Mr. Clinton’s desk 10 days after he was inaugurated. Indeed, on the day Mr. Clinton signed the bill into law, Feb. 5, 1993, there is no indication on that day’s calendar that she attended. [Link] <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/us/politics/19cnd-archives.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin>
ABC -- One notable absence in the 11,000 pages of the former First Lady's schedule from the National Archives released today -- any mention on her schedules of the Family and Medical Leave Act before her husband signed the bill into law. That's interesting, because in speeches and on her website, the Clinton campaign repeatedly gives Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, credit for "helping to pass" the Family and Medical Leave Act. The bill was signed into law on February 5, 1993 -- 16 days after Bill Clinton was sworn into office. Though then-Gov. Bill Clinton often heralded the bill, which former President George HW Bush had vetoed, on the campaign trail in 1992, there's really no evidence that Hillary Clinton "helped to pass" the bill, which was the baby of Sens. Chris Dodd, D-Conn, and Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. [Link] <http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/family-and-medi.html>
Reader Comments (27)
NAFTA is just one aspect of trade policy, one that would be less important if the DOHA round were jump-started. Are you willing to open the questions of farm subsidies and intellectual property law in order to introduce environmental and labor law concessions on the part of exporting manufacturing countries?
Posted by jayackroyd
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March 20, 2008 12:30 PM
You could ask Obama what he thinks of McCain's argument that we shouldn't try to renegotiate NAFTA because we need the Canadians in Afghanistan and so we shouldn't risk offending them.
Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080229/mccain-nafta/
Posted by Crust
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March 20, 2008 12:53 PM
Okay - Questions:
- Does Obama consider accepting the DNC's decision to not seat delegates from MI and FL valid?
- What is his response to the charges that he's 'disenfranchising' voters from those states by not supporting either the primary results or strongly supporting a re-vote?
- (And I know it's probably been answered) What's the best solution to this situation? Is it likely to be implemented?
Posted by grape_crush | March 20, 2008 1:20 PM
Q:
The Obama campaign has stated:
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.
What would Obama's response be if there are signs after 6 months that either a genocide is underway in Iraq or there are unmistakable signs that, absent intervention, genocide would occur--would he reverse the re-deployment, and recommit such forces necessary to prevent genocide in Iraq?
Posted by stuart_zechman | March 20, 2008 1:37 PM
What? No mention of the new semen stain on these documents? I think the DNA test will show that the new stain belongs to Brian Ross.
Posted by smedley | March 20, 2008 1:39 PM
stuart-
And what he do if the turks invaded? Or the saudi government fell? Or Mubarak was assassinated?
Even if you tried to answer that hypothetical, it would depend on who was killing whom on what the right response would be.
Posted by jayackroyd
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March 20, 2008 1:42 PM
In line with the question stuart proposes, please also ask him what his response would be if after six months Maliki is eaten by wolves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnoLeVuAwy4
Posted by billiecat | March 20, 2008 2:00 PM
Geez, Stuart, if you are going to engage in hypotheticals, there really is no end. What if there were unmistakable signs that genocide was occurring in Russia, or China? Are we Gort? Are we only Gort in oil-producing countries? No matter what happens, the Reps are going to say "I told you so." Just like Vietnam. Should we still be in Vietnam?
Posted by smedley | March 20, 2008 2:50 PM
SZ!
Good to see ya back. Thought you'd entered detox.
Q: First off, how would like him to answer? Sounds like a ? Mac would ask. Q2: And, would said genocide only demand our attn. b/c we broke it? Or a la Rwanda, the Congo, the Sudan, the Balkans, should we intervene in any bloodbath, regardless of precious resources?
Posted by Oregon JC | March 20, 2008 2:56 PM
That is if you are indeed SZ!? Or were you kidnapped by neocons during your absence?
Posted by Oregon JC | March 20, 2008 2:58 PM
It is not inconsistent for HRC to now protest that she was not a strong proponent of NAFTA even though she did make public remarks supporting it. She was representing the William J. Clinton administration when she made those public remarks. Her choice was to make remarks consistent with the administration position or to shut up. She clearly couldn't resign from her position.
Her obstinance on the Iraq war vote stems from the fact that it was her decision.
She presumably feels that it's not flip-flopping to state that you disagreed with a position that you had to represent as an employee (sensu lato), whereas it would be flip-flopping to disavow a Senate vote.
I think that she's wrong on the policy and the politics have hurt her but I understand her reasoning.
Posted by rk | March 20, 2008 3:05 PM
Hillary's own problem
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/ehrenreich
Posted by clusterfk2008 | March 20, 2008 3:19 PM
jayackroyd, et esteemed al.:
Given the ghastly levels of ethnic cleansing that have already occurred, and given that Barack Obama has postulated that 6 months into his he term would see a majority of combat troops still deployed in Iraq, this hypothetical is a little more relevant and imaginable than "What if the Chinese invade Iraq?" or even "What if the Saudi regime falls?", and certainly more useful than "What if we know that jihadis planning 9/11 2.0 have taken over in Iraq, and that the only way to destroy them for certain is to re-invade?"
Or a la Rwanda, the Congo, the Sudan, the Balkans, should we intervene in any bloodbath, regardless of precious resources?
This, too, is a worthwhile question, IMO. Given the proximity (until recently) of Samantha Power to the Obama campaign, I'd like to know specifically how an Obama administration would differ from previous ones with respect to multi- or even unilateral armed intervention in the case of suspected or ongoing genocide. The first question is meant to lead to this, at least in my mind.
How interventionist would an Obama administration be? Is Iraq an example of intervention that fails the "nobility of purpose" test, but otherwise is worthy? Would other cases that met the "nobility of purpose" test be cause for intervention? What is the theory here (hence the theoretical)?
No matter what happens, the Reps are going to say "I told you so." Just like Vietnam. Should we still be in Vietnam?
Whether or not I believe that we should or shouldn't have maintained a military presence in Viet Nam isn't the point, now, is it? What Barack Obama intends to pursue with respect to an interventionist foreign policy seems to me to be slightly more important than my feelings about Viet Nam...
So, jayackroyd:
Even if you tried to answer that hypothetical, it would depend on who was killing whom on what the right response would be.
I know that you can't be suggesting that Obama doesn't articulate a coherent, understandable foreign policy strategy with respect to the projection of American military power in the face of humanitarian crisis (or threatened allies), so why wouldn't an answer that highlights his possible decision-making in the light of such strategy and principle be appropriate?
This isn't the stupid ticking bomb scenario we're talking about here...
Posted by stuart_zechman | March 20, 2008 4:02 PM
AMC doesn't have what it takes to ask Obama the NAFTA questions I'd ask, which would involve his support for Bush's SPP scheme, aka "NAFTA on steroids".
Why exactly would Obama come out for that completely optional Bush scheme? Why did he have to speak in code when he indicated his support for that Bush scheme?
Posted by NoMoreBlatherDotCom
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March 20, 2008 4:03 PM
That is if you are indeed SZ!? Or were you kidnapped by neocons during your absence?
Yes.
Posted by stuart_zechman | March 20, 2008 4:11 PM
The point, Stuart, is that we vote for a president based on several factors, including his or her ability to make judgements that seem rational to us. Hypothetical situations cannot contain all of the what-ifs, and are, therefore, next to useless.
I assume the next president is going to be briefed by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs on day-one about situations around the globe that regular citizens know nothing about. I want a president who's judgement I trust.
Posted by smedley | March 20, 2008 4:22 PM
Welcome back Mr. Kotter!
If only the MSM narrative could shift away from skin color.
Agreed, it is a worthy ? to ask of the O campaign. I think his language re: Pak/Af sounds rather Clintonian--bombing from 30,000' with no real objectives in sight. My view is he's looking to revert to BC on fo-po, which is tremendously disappointing, but again, relative to his competitors and our last 7 years....
But knowing as we do that his platform makes Mac look like Damien, why the ? to O alone? Is his current, waning competitor offering us something more substantial that he has to match?
Posted by Oregon JC | March 20, 2008 4:32 PM
smedley:
I want a president who's judgement I trust.
Right. I assume we get to make those calls based on what we know about the policies they're going to pursue, in addition to what public positions the candidates have taken in the past.
Hypothetical situations cannot contain all of the what-ifs, and are, therefore, next to useless.
There's a difference between asking ridiculous hypotheticals in which the answer is contained in the premise of the question, predicated upon knowledge that's impossible to obtain, or upon assumptions that are absurdly unlikely, e.g. "What if Iran obtains 60 to 70 nuclear-warheaded ballistic missiles from Russia in the next six months, and gives them to Muqtada al Sadr? Would you then be in favor of keeping permanent bases in Iraq as a means of launching search and destroy missions against that deadly arsenal before Sadr could annihilate Israel?", and asking credible hypotheticals, e.g. "Should the price of oil exceed $150 a barrel in the next year, would the Federal government be prepared to issue oil-purchasing vouchers en masse to US residents, in order to prevent heat being denied in winter months to millions of the elderly on fixed incomes, amongst other disastrous predicaments?"
Hypotheticals by themselves are not useless; useless hypotheticals are pretty useless, however.
From the Wikipedia entry:
Posted by stuart_zechman | March 20, 2008 5:05 PM
Oregon JC:
But knowing as we do that his platform makes Mac look like Damien, why the ? to O alone? Is his current, waning competitor offering us something more substantial that he has to match?
Well...
Posted by Ana Marie Cox March 20, 2008 12:09:
Oh, and there's an Obama conference call -- on NAFTA -- in a few minutes. Suggested Qs welcome!
...OK?
Posted by stuart_zechman | March 20, 2008 5:07 PM
I should probably add a few more examples of hypothetical questions, in order to aid our discussions:
Posted by stuart_zechman | March 20, 2008 5:13 PM
SZ:
Posted by Ana Marie Cox March 20, 2008 12:09:
Oh, and there's an Obama conference call -- on NAFTA -- in a few minutes. Suggested Qs welcome!
...OK?
Um, errr, OK, good point. In my defense, red flush, see, I'm in the habit of skimming over what she writes, particularly posts such as this asking for questions, for I've never seen her report back: I asked your question and the response was. Plus, in addition to posting my nonsense, I have to check the scores and feign work. Further disclosure, anything these arsehats say pales in comparison to my attn. to my fellow esteemed commentators.
Anyhoo, if I were able to pose a question to a candidate around the fo-po axis, it would follow his/her reading of something like this, preferably slapped firmly on the table most dramatically:
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/5087
Any discussion or contemplation of intervention, uni/multi etc. would have to prefaced by this facing of reality. I'd like to see Americans remotely aware of the macro (our empire of bases) and not only the micro (Iraq, Korean, Japan, Germany etc.).
Posted by Oregon JC | March 20, 2008 5:19 PM
So on day one the MSM goes right for the Lewinsky stuff, on day two it goes for the substantive stuff...says a lot doesn't it?
So Swampland is apparantly back to banning people. Ana, you accepted favors/gifts from the person you were supposed to be covering. That's unethical, deal w/ it. Or explain how it's not unethical, but of course you know you can't.
"Today John McCain made his case that Sunni insurgents are largely comprised of the flying monkeys from 'Wizard of Oz' and the Werewolf Women of the SS. But right now, back to our frame by frame dissection of Rev. Wright's speeches!"
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