Apology

John McCain and his BFF John Hagee don't think you need to apologize for making anti-Catholic comments, Joe.

It sounds like Mr. Klein has been reading Bob Somerby.

When are you going to apologize to Glen Greenwald about your lack of knowledge regarding FISA?

Silly attaturk:

Apologies should be given only to fellow Villagers.

Everyone else outside that charmed circle of honor deserves no regard whatsoever.

Joe - thanks for the prompt and genuine apology.

"I do believe there's something weird a few of our colleagues have [against Clinton]," he said. "They tend to be Roman Catholics, actually. People like Tim Russert, Chris Matthews, Maureen Dowd. They've had it in for Bill and Hillary Clinton since Monica Lewinsky. They feel that the Clintons are trying to put one over on us all the time."

For that, you're apologizing? Not for using Pete Hoekstra as a source to smear Democrats? Not for dishonestly selling the "John McCain is an honorable man..." without ever mentioning his hypocrisy and moral cowardice on torture?
I don't know the individuals mentioned, don't know and don't care about their religion, but does every one of them have an obsessive axe to grind about the Clenis? Sloppy, tendentious "journalists" and who bear (in one case, utterly hysterical--Tweety) hatred of the Clintons? Yup, yup and yup.

Since Chutzpah Joe has been wrong and "stupid" about so many things (FISA, Libby, Iraq, McCain), we must accept that his continued presence as a prominent media commentator on all human events is not accidental.

Chutzpah Joe is a reliable dispenser of the propaganda manufactured by Time-Warner Corporation. Should Chutzpah Joe wake up one morning and begin telling the truth with dependable regularity, his contract with Time-Warner would be terminated at the next opportunity. Time-Warner pays Chutzpah Joe to be stupid. Chutzpah Joe's stupid commentary acts to keep the American people stupid, and for Time-Warner Corporation, that is a smart move.

Like most political apologies, I think you can chalk that one up to being sorry for being caught, not being sorry.

Besides, doesn't polling show Clinton with a big advantage over Obama with Catholics? So you were wrong and you were wrong.

Honestly, Joe, sometimes just making the most direct observation is the easiest. Don't try to dress it up to sound smart--Russert, Dowd, and Matthews dislike Hillary because they're all Catholic? That doesn't even make sense.

Now if you'd said that Timmeh, Modo, and Tweety act the way they do because they're shallow, pampered clowns, then you would've had something accurate and concrete to work from.

Joe:

Thank you very much for this apology; it is appropriately given, and should be readily accepted by reasonable people.

I can't understand what point you were trying to make by inserting religious affiliation into the debate, but it is good that you have immediately recognized and retracted that unfortunate non sequitur.

Apology accepted.

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Congrats Joe! You are getting better at realizing when you’ve been an idiot. Now, just focus on that feeling and take another step towards respectability by apologizing for your FISA article. Come on, the truth can set you free!

Joe - Apology accepted.

This type of guileless acknowledgement is a wonderful improvement.

Also, re-read this from Florida: "Now if you'd said that Timmeh, Modo, and Tweety act the way they do because they're shallow, pampered clowns, then you would've had something accurate and concrete to work from."

That's gold, Jerry! Gold!

Do not let your stupid comment make you believe that your overall point was invalid. The Washington/New York press corps is horrible and the people you mentioned are the reason. If you care about your craft then you will continue to speak out, albeit more eloquently.

Damn.

I'd forgotten about this, and it's right around the corner.

Terrapinion and Florida are right.

Glad to see your apology when you think you said something untoward. (And it is too bad you uttered that thing about Catholicism; it's quite a non-sequitur).

Regardless of whether or not Florida's "shallow, pampered clowns" theory as to Dowd, Matthews, and Russert is proven to be correct, the important point here is that they are terrible, terrible journalists.

I would agree that your apology will help repair your tattered image here and abroad given the checkered history of your reporting and analysis.

Even a baby step in the right direction is a step in the right direction and therefore should be commended.

There is no need to apologize for the press being "tougher" on Hillary. That is a crutch and and an excuse by a campaign who does mostly right but just has the bad luck of being active at the same time as our Obama, and not even Ronald Raygun could have stood up to Obama and the Obamanation he will give rise to. Hillary was just the right woman at the wrong time and I think it is only natural that the media supports President Obama because the media is indeed part of the nation and since the nation clearly favors, Obama, by natural extenstion, so should the press. Nothing to apologize for.

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that was easy, wasn't it?

now with the fisa bill back under consideration, would you like to revisit that issue? and get the story right. It's a lot easier now; there has been plenty written by non-partisan people like Richard Clarke making it clear that there is no need for the PAA.

Enceladus is right, I'm sure. *He writes:*

It sounds like Mr. Klein has been reading Bob Somerby.
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Somerby has done a lot of work on this subject. *Here he finishes up* a brief series, Welch's At War:

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During the 1980s and 1990s, Jack Welch assembled a team of Archie Bunkers to head GE’s news division. Sorry—he hired a team of “Reagan Democrats,” handing the reins of NBC News to three East Coast Irish Catholic soul-mates: Russert (Meet the Press), Williams (put in line for Nightly News), and Matthews (king of NBC cable). Russert and Williams are very bad—but Matthews is a true Archie Bunker.

His gender disturbance has been on display for years. But in a press culture driven by his pal Maureen Dowd, liberal leaders have agreed not to notice.

We speak as an East Coast Irish Catholc ourselves—raised by East Coast Irish Catholic mother, grand-mother, aunts. That said, let’s state the obvious: The lunacy that Matthews and Dowd display is the down-side of mid-century East Coast Irish Catholic culture. (When we moved to California in 1960, the Catholic culture was quite different there.)

In the case of Matthews, his nasty, throwback gender disturbance has been on display a long while.
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Somerby prefaced his Welch's At War series with this observtion:

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Several commenters said we’re dumb for tracking Chris Matthews so much, since Chris has a fairly small audience. But Chris’ audience isn’t the point; the point of Hardball (and of the Chris Matthews Show) is the access it gives us to the mind-set of a large chunk of the insider press corps. Chris may (or may not) affect many voters, but he does affect insider journalists; on his show, you get to see their various narratives as they take their shape. It’s the closest you’ll come to being invited to those fatuous cocktail parties—the parties where this cohort’s group dynamic produces the hopeless, gong-show narratives that drive our electoral process.

Over the past dozen years, Chris has been exceptionally harmful to Big Major Dems, in large part because of the way he influences the younger journos who rank below him in the insider pecking order. In this journalistic cohort, narratives filter down from the top; people like Matthews and Russert assert them, and the lower orders agree to repeat them. Chris lies at the very heart of a large chunk of the insider press corps. If no voters ever watched his show, it would still be must-see bad TV.
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So what happened here, why is Joe getting cold feet? Two reasons,

1) Joe does not understand what Somerby is saying. Clinton does not get bad press because some pundits are Catholic. Rather, some Catholics are paid to advance corporatism by supporting Republicans and trashing Democarats in the MSM. Those Catholics have a point of view through which they characterize pols. MSM types from other cultural and religious backgrounds operate with the same objectives, they just come at it from a different point of view.

The thing is General Electric is, year after year, one of the ten largest - sometimes the largest - corporations, and therefore their toadies are MSM leaders.

2) Joe did not want to admit he was familiar with Somerby's work. Therefore, Klein did not say, "Irish Catholic blogger Bob Somerby says that influential Irish Catholic pundits present a certain view of Democratic politicians to the public." Instead, Klein tried to make it sound like he, himself, had come to this conclusion. To his horror, with the Hagee thing going on, Klein realized that this view point is too problematic for someone with his cultural/religious background to be espousing in the first person.

now with the fisa bill back under consideration, would you like to revisit that issue?

No need on my account. I'm just happy that someone's willing to question St. McCain's expertise on all things GWOT.

It DOES sorta matter...

I left out a link. That Bob Somerby preface to his Welch's At War series can be *found here.*

Our little self-appointed "high sheriff" complete with the little tin star is at it again I see.

stuart_zechman:
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Posted by stuart_zechman | March 3, 2008 11:59 AM

Just because you don't support Obama doesn't mean you have the right to attack those of us who do.

Joe,

When you are wrong as often as you are (the list goes on: FISA, Libby, Iraq, McCain), and when you say so many dumb things, how do you ever decide which ones to appologize for and which ones to ignore?

CMike:

Thanks for this post. I would never have expected Joe to read Somerby's excellent media criticism.

This is still obviously conjecture, but it would be great to hear some clarification from Joe that he was or was not referencing Somerby's arguments.

Joe, why are you apologizing? You're correct.

You should be more specific, though: they're all Irish-Catholics. Everyone who reads Bob Somerby knows this. And to those of us who are Irish-Catholic, it's not insulting or surprising. Russert, Dowd, and Matthews exhibit the dark side fo Irish Catholicism. That's just a fact.

Paul,

Did you see this?

bmaz, who apparently has worked on wiretap cases (and has the case law references to show it) argues that the administration has already indemnified the telcos, that they wouldn't have engaged in illegal activity (and they are very well acquainted with what is illegal) without assurances that they were liable.

This really is all about not letting anybody know what the administration has been doing. I'd say they may also be worry about jail time, but they took care of most of those worries in the USA purge. As James Tobin can attest.

There is good and bad here. Good that Joe recognizes obvious anti-Hillary bias going back 15 years or more. But then he'd have to be a stump to miss that.

Good too he recognizes that Tweety, 'Lil Russ, and Dodo have been some of the most prominent purveyors of this narrative. Again, he'd have to be a stump....but at least it's progress.

But then comes the weird Catholic bit -- classic Joe!! Apropos of nothing, a comment made apparently to seem smart -- like he's been working up a grand theory to explain all this -- when it's merely an odd, offensive throwaway. Bad.

Further, I believe the apology is a product solely of someone writing down and publicizing what he said. I doubt he apologized at the event, or right thereafter, when it actually occurred. Also bad.

Still, he apologized, unequivocally. So that's good.

In the end, though, as pointed out by Enceladus, he is apologizing to fellow Villagers, instead of to us or someone like Greenwald.

So I grade this a C, maybe C-.

1) Joe does not understand what Somerby is saying. Clinton does not get bad press because some pundits are Catholic. Rather, some Catholics are paid to advance corporatism by supporting Republicans and trashing Democarats in the MSM. Those Catholics have a point of view through which they characterize pols. MSM types from other cultural and religious backgrounds operate with the same objectives, they just come at it from a different point of view.

I think Joe may understand some of what Somerby is saying. He probably wouldn't say the things about Welch publicly, but he may believe them.

Some of what Somebry is saying, though, is that there's a particular Irish-Catholic worldview from the 1950s that pervades the thinking of Dowd, Matthews, and Russert. And he's completely right.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/03/03/somalia.us/index.html

Look, we're bombing another poor country. Ah, how can one not wear the flag?

Just speak the truth about Charlie and Martin Sheen, and you'll be fine.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8V5GQR00&show_article=1

Cafeteria Catholics, Self-Loathing Jews, Brain Dead Baptists, Murder Bomber Mooslimes, Gayboriffic Presbeterians...

With spiritualists like these, who needs Hillary and Obama?

Joe:

You're right: hatred of Hillary Clinton is a Catholic thing for sure. Actually, John Paul II instituted a new rite into the weekly mass in 1992 whereby we stab Hillary and Bill dolls with pins. After that, we dance around in black robes and sacrifice our young to our Roman God. Either that, or you're just another ignorant, bigoted, anti-Catholic fool.

Isn't it feasible -- if only JUST -- that members of the press are as tired and fed up of the endless river of B.S. that flows from the Clintons? And isn't it possible -- if only JUST -- that the press is finally doing it's job and not letting them off the hook for their double-talk, hedging, and flat-out lies?

I will shed no tears for Hillary Clinton. The press allowed her to be 'the experienced candidate' when she has no executive experience, no major legislation to her name, and only her husband's coattails to base her qualifications on. That she fell flat on her face in the last month is justice long overdue. If this were a true 'experience vs. change' election, we'd be talking about Biden, Dodd, or Richardson right now.

Some say the Jews control the media.

Others say it's the Roman catholics.

I say the press all worship the Greek God Narcissus.

The only thing we should be bombing Somalia with is food and aid packages and that is why I am proud of Senator Obama and his desire to increase foreign aid. With a President Obama we will stop killing people and we will start feeding them and that is part of the reason why he gives such hope for the future!

It looks like all the whining by Senator Clinton is doing some good, as once again she is playing the victim for sympathy votes. Lets see if the old white women of Ohio and Texas are as stupid and gullible as they were in New Hampshire.

I don't recall Hillary complaining when throughout 2007 all we heard about was the fearsome, disciplined Clinton machine. All the while as the press mocked Obama for being too passive in debates. Remember Mareen Dowd's "O-bambi" comment. Oh yeah, that's right she is biased againts Clinton.

Any other candidate who had lost 11 primaries in a row and is now neck in neck in two states where a few weeks ago they were 20 points ahead would be mocked for staying in the race. Many journalists mocking Romney and Guilliani as thier losses mounted up, but know, not Hillary.

Well it looks like the Clintons can surely fool some people all the time.

By the way hasn't anyone else noticed in Clinton's red phone commercial how the word "nig" appears on the sleeping child's pajamas with an upside down "g" above it. This is such an obviouse subliminal racist statement meant to scare people into associating a sleeping child at 3am with a "black" burgler sneaking into the whitehouse. And believe me, that was the intention as nothing in any of these multi million dollar adds are a mistake.

Oh yeah, that's right, only republicans are racist, not the first black first lady.

It's funny how lefties like Joe have fits over Willie Horton when an add such as this is even more racist.

If you feel the need to apologize then that's fine, I accept. The problem is that what you said is right.

mr. albany - thank you for showing us the undisclosed subliminal racism that the commercial has, we as a nation cannot allow racism to win this battle for the White House. President Obama transcends racism and this attempt by Hillary to stop him will not succeed.

Joe:
I should also add that you are entirely correct in terms of the substance of your criticism.

All one has to do to verify this claim is to look at Bob Somerby's voluminous documentation of the phenomenon.

Notwithstanding RKA's "sympathetic reverse bias" analysis, the Village's general antipathy towards the Clintons is well established (and quite obvious to anyone capable of suspending partisanship). Discussions like the one participated in by Joe should be encouraged.

Don't be too hard on yourself, Joe. I agree with you and have said the same thing many, many times. Same for Bob Somerby at www.thedailyhowler.com

Actually, I usually use the term "Irish-Catholics" to describe this anti-Clinton Celtic Cult.

And being part "Irish-Catholic" myself, I would know!

I find this discussion fascinating.

I will profess ignorance as to what religion controls what segment of the media.

I do recall that when people say. "The jews control the media." a lot of people get offended, probably justifiably.

Now, for the first time ever, I have heard another religious group accused of nefarious media manipulation.

And I have to ask myself, as someone who does not hold any organized religion in particularly high regard, could there be a war brewing between the pro-clinton/jewish controlled media and the pro-obama catholic controlled media? And each side feels the other side is biased against their preferred candidate?

I think there is one solution to this mess. We need to turn over control of the media to the Buddhists.

We need to turn over control of the media to the Buddhists.

LOL! We could frickin do worse.

"Here for an analysis of the day's political events, is our special correspondent Tenzin Gyatso, His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama..."

"In the Crossfire, Thich Nhat Hanh and Gary Snyder!"

I think this idea definitely has legs.

We may be missing the forest for the trees.
A mainstream journalist, Joe, said something slightly critical of Tim Russert.
A first!

We need to turn over control of the media to the Buddhists.

LOL. Yes, we do.

I say the press all worship the Greek God Narcissus.

You take Narcissus, I'll take Dionysus.

Joe, thanks for the apology. It's obvious you weren't making a negative religious statement but it was good to clarify your comments.

Even when the MSM was "heralding" HRC as a sure thing they did it with obvious disdain. The piling up on her campaign during the SC primary was a clear sign of bias in favor of Obama.

Last week Jack Cafferty on CNN and Chris Matthews on MSNBC made almost identical remarks about HRC, asking which "face" she'd wear, the nice one or the nasty one. I thought my brain would explode. HRC is held to a different standard than the men in the race. When she acts like all politicians do, crafting her statements and demeanor to suit the occasion and the audience, she is accused of having a split personality. No one is saying this about Obama or McCain, who alternate between saying nice things about their opponents and sticking in the knife.

I'm positive the "three faces of Hillary" has become another press meme and the boy reporters talk about this when they get together.

You forgot to add Mike Barnicle to the list of Hillary haters. I doubt it has anything to do with them being Catholic, or Irish, or anything other than pompous asses, but it sure does exist.

My fav Zen-B, Alan Watts:

"But my dear man, reality is only a Rorschach ink-blot, you know."

How perfectly apropos for our media universe, not to mention the respective prisms through which we interpret candidates, voices, reality.

And Barnicle can just use other people's lines about Hillary as his own. It's easy for him.

And

Bill O?

Sean H?

And, what the frick, as long as I'm posting quotes in the void, how 'bout this from its prone, taped on my monitor position?

"The words he is in possession of he cannot be deprived of. Their authority transcends his ignorance of their meaning"

HH should know this one.

doubt it has anything to do with them being Catholic, or Irish,

It does. All of these guys are pretty reasonable on certain issues -- Barnicle put his neck out in favor of busing in South Boston, Matthews courageously opposed the war, for example. They're not just garden-variety wingnuts. They have a weird special issue with the Clintons that is deeply rooted in gender/psychosexual issues. Not everyone of their (and mine) ethnicity does, but it's typical of a certain sort.

Well, it's clear to me that there is a Jewish Media Blintz against Obama (stuffed with a lot of cheesiness, of course). Part and parcel of this assault is to deride Obama as "Messianic," for obvious reasons.

And its also clear that the Catholic media is bringing Hillary before their inquisition, led by Tim Torquemada and Chris of the Crusades.

Finally, the Protestant Pro-Republican media is just waiting to hold a little Baptism by Fire for whoever wins the dem nomination.

It seems to me that separation of church and state is less of a problem than the separation of church and fourth estate.

RKA, as has been suggested to you many times before, please read the Daily Howler.

Somerby even has some recent comments showing how the "narrative" against Obama is being built, which might be something you would actually read.

Of course, in order to completely understand today's comments you need to read some archival Somerby and I doubt you have patience or willingness to be open minded enough for that.

Mr. Klein:
I am Catholic and I tell you: no big deal!

"Of course, in order to completely understand today's comments you need to read some archival Somerby and I doubt you have patience or willingness to be open minded enough for that."

So, without reading the DH, RKA will be hopelessly adrift, reliant upon his own paltry intellect & perceptions to make informed judgments? In other words, RKA or anyone who might favor Obama and frown upon Clinton is a naive (or dare I say stupid) victim of media infrastructure? Is it humanly possible that someone could come to these conclusions without the media's machinations? Or only if they come to such a conclusion about a politician you don't favor?

http://www.jimhightower.com/node/6395

By the way, since our fav faux populist is sitting on the fence, here's a real pop's endoresement

So, without reading the DH, RKA will be hopelessly adrift, reliant upon his own paltry intellect & perceptions to make informed judgments?

Yes, the Daily Howler is essential reading, almost as essential as TalkingPointsMemo. Anyone who fails to read the best blogs is at a serious disadvantage in terms of understanding our political system.

Joe could you maybe skip the part where you talk about how racist or sexist the country is.

I mean, how would you know?

And by the way, OJC, I support Obama. I'm very frustrated with the Clinton campaign and disagree with many of Somerby's defenses of it.

But he hits the bullseye with his critique of Dowd and Welch's "Lost Boys" (Russert, Williams, and Matthews). Reading it will open up your eyes to the way our media has worked on the Clintons for the past fifteen years.

And, again, I say all of this as someone who doesn't especially like the Clintons.

RKA,

Gee, it seems to me Jewish commentators both in the MSM and the blogosphere did some of the harshest complaining about the Clintons allegedly playing the "race card" in the primary campaign. Talking Points Memo founder Josh Marshall and TPM contributor M.J. Rosenberg are about the worst on this issue.

Look at the latest somewhat related post from Marshall *here.* "For me it's on the edge," writes Marshall. I'm not sure where that comes from but it sounds pretty hypersensitive to me.

I think your case would have been very tough to make until two weeks ago. If big media is turning on Obama these days it is because he is seen as a threat to Sen. McCain. Obama supporter Rosenberg makes a *long winded case* that the media (i.e. Tim Russert) is starting to try to come between Obama and Jewish supporters.

Oregon JC:

RKA or anyone who might favor Obama and frown upon Clinton is a naive (or dare I say stupid) victim of media infrastructure?

That's a bit of a strawman, isn't it?
Nobody is suggesting what you're suggesting that they're suggesting.

Accusations of partisanship in this matter are really beside the point. It's like talking about climate change within the context of partisanship. There is a phenomenon. The facts may allow one side in a partisan battle to claim the title of "most victimized", but that doesn't matter to people who are more concerned with the phenomenon than partisan claims.

For those partisans discontented with any argument that falls short of calling Hillary Clinton and her campaign unmitigated liars on every subject, I suggest you familiarize yourselves with the old "stopped clock can be right twice a day" argument...and then get familiar with Somerby's documentation of the phenomenon.

Hillary will be right when she concedes to President Obama tomorrow and then introduces him at the convention - so yes, she will be right, twice...

Well, this is hilarious

I facetiously declare a pox on all houses of worship and printing press.

And some of you respond (so earnestly!) by scolding me to read more (netroots) chapter and verse!

The Swampland Nuns have got their rulers out for poor RKA's wrists.

And if I don't comply, I shall burn for eternity in the flames of Hell where there are no health insurance mandates.

I used to think Swampland was the twilight zone....but I realize know that it's really purgatory!

Is that your best shot, RKA?

RKA: Knock, Knock

Swampland Commenter: Who's There?

RKA: Mark Penn.

Swampland Commenter: DAMMIT, RKA, HAVEN'T YOU READ THE DAILY HOLWER TODAY.

RKA:

I reread what you wrote. I take your point now. Might I recommend you add a drop of moisture the next time you unlimber your wit?

Since some of you determined to lash a tongue that is obviously in cheek, let me make clear what I figured my tone would have made obvious....I don't think there is a jewish media conspiracy against Obama, a catholic media conspiricy against Clinton, or a protestant media conspiraicy against democrats.

Duh.

Sorry, Cmike....I thought referring to a "Jewish Media Blintz" my joking would have been obvious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blintz

I hope you all can stop throwing latkes at me now!

You got me. I was overreacting to this comment. Though I did get it that you probably weren't entirely serious about a MSBuddhistM.

I really didn't notice you were the commentator about Blintzes and Chris of the Crusades.

Joe,

What you and all the other MSM should really apologize for is for being pulled in, hook, line and sinker, to the Clinton Spin that the media coverage for them has been unfair. Unfair, really, tell me that if Obama or anyone for that matter could have lost 11 straight primaries/caucuses (though we know caucuses don't count) and still be in this race, besides HRC I mean.

Somerby on "Klein's gaffe" he's apologizing for here:

Michael Kinsley first said it, decades ago. In Washington, a “gaffe” is something you commit when you accidentally blurt out the truth.

Don't be afraid of describing the NBC Irish Catholic cartel, Joe. It's just true. Jack Welch, a conservative Irish Catholic, bought NBC with money from defense contracting, and hired a ton of East Coast Irish Catholics. They share the anti-female, anti-sexual bias of the culture I was raised in, and that also marks them as the generation of the Northeastern Reagan Democrat.

Please, Obama supporters, this is not just pro-Clinton thinking. This is press criticism, and the recent disgraceful performance by Russert on the Farrakhan business, versus the silence about St. McCain and what Hagee actually believes is just a sample. We have a seriously crippled, rumor-mongering, deeply dishonest political culture, and that's a problem for all of us.
Now, I do think that Obama's smart enough to have used this avalanche of Hillary-bashing as his own negative campaigning. When Hillary was getting the Russert treatment about driver's licenses for illegals, Obama joined in, seeming to agree; but his position on the matter is identical to Hillary's. And his grassroots supporters sound like they accept everything the Republicans said about the Clintons in the '90s, and what Nader said too. But hey, that's politics, isn't it. It's ingenious, really: Obama has run the most negative Democratic campaign in my memory, but he comes out smelling like a rose, because his pals in the media do the dirty work for him.

Sorry, but this long-lapsed Presbyterian and longtime Washingtonian thinks Somerby's on to something, as was Howard Fineman when he wrote in '05 of D.C.'s "substratum of Catholic conservatism that few people who aren't from here understand," as was Klein until he apologized.

Not that it's as simple as that, of course. Dowd, Noonan, and Carlson also belong to the religiously ecumenical club of ambitious women of more-or-less HRC's age who hate her because she gets more attention than they do.

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