February 12, 2008 6:05
SwampCast: Hillary is the New Rudy
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The NY Daily News also compared recent Hil strategy to Rudy's earlier today:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/02/12/2008-02-12_clinton_campaign_emits_endoftheline_vibe.html?print=1&page=all
Posted by vicious maniac | February 12, 2008 6:25 PM
The Democratic Senate again risked alienating the center, as this week's dead-tree Time warns us, by lurching dangerously far to the left of the American public by expanding Bush's wiretap authority and granting immunity to telecoms for warrantless wiretaps.
Posted by Memekiller
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February 12, 2008 6:50 PM
AMC,
How come you are not mentioning the most important factor facing Hillary Clinton's campaign, the disparate treatment her campaign is getting as compared to the men's campaigns. There are a great deal of double standards Hillary is being held to as a woman, that aren't anywhere near the pass that Obama or McCain have been receiving as media darlings.
excellent editorial in the NYT about it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/opinion/10kristof.html?ex=1360386000&en=674
more examples of how sexism is playing out in this race here:
http://aslanstruth.blogspot.com
-Scotty
Posted by ScottyRad
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February 12, 2008 7:02 PM
what is your problem ANA!!!!!!! How many delegates did Rudy win???? You should seriously just tattoo Obama 08 or CHANGE or YES WE CAN on your forehead when you do these swapcasts...I'll take you more seriously. What is up with the media and the latest blatant Hillary-bash. You've got that dumb quote from Penn. Gov on the "The Page" and AP after AP stories that sound like they were written by Plouffe. I've read about a billion times about her $5 million loan to her campaign but nowhere about the $10 million she raised three days later. That's more than Obama's a million a day...
Posted by dj1mt | February 12, 2008 7:03 PM
Yippee...Ana's in the MSNBC Green Room...Wow!!! She's going to play nice with the Frat Pack!!!
Posted by flygirl130 | February 12, 2008 7:18 PM
I can't stand the disparaging remarks that Hillary seems to make about the states she loses (or is expected to lose) after the fact. Her appeal to the "broad electorates" of Texas and Ohio BEFORE the Potomic Primary even happened seem like a slap in the face to VA, MD, and DC.
Posted by dan f | February 12, 2008 7:27 PM
I think marginalizing any state she doesnt win as either falling into "Eh, they'll never vote for us in the general" or "They'll have to vote for us in the general no matter what I say about them now because we're the Democrats" needs to stop ASAP. She obviously never believed in Dean's 50 state strategy (which is more of a long term new policy approach for the entire party as much as it is a strategy for '08) as much as Obama.
Posted by dan f | February 12, 2008 7:36 PM
This election will create a mediagasm. Yes we can vs The Straight Talking Maverick.
Imagine if it was Romney vs Hillary. The press hates them both. As soon as McCain took the big lead, I knew the democrats probably would do better with Obama.
He competes on the media member's high school crush demographic better.
Posted by trifecta | February 12, 2008 7:42 PM
"Hillary is the New Rudy."
She ain't even the old Rudy.
As he's actually DONE SOMETHING with his public service.
Just ast any New Yorker.
Or resident of Poonlassy County, Arkysaw.
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Posted by QUESTION HILLARY
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February 12, 2008 7:45 PM
Ana, I wrote a blog post about this. There are more parallels than just the one with Giuliani. Something I noted is that she is also like Romney and needs to be more like Huckabee.
From the post:
"After John McCain's victories, Romney had become an insurgent for the Republican nomination and he had no experience in that role, and apparently none of the will to cultivate it. Hillary Clinton is drifting towards a similar position. Her inevitability has been removed, her vast resources exceeded by her opponent. Does she have the will that Romney did not? Does she have the fight of a Mike Huckabee?"
She needs to start fighting.
The full post is here: http://nikhiltilwalli.blogspot.com
Posted by Nikhil Tilwalli | February 12, 2008 8:06 PM
Ana,
Less slouchy SVP. Although it is more intimate.
I think that you either need to drink more or you need to drink less. This halfway thing is so 1998.
Good points. Hillary's campaign has reactively tried to reposition and compete for positions that the Obama campaign has created. One more time and that is all that she wrote. I think that we are a week or two away from Hillary being branded as "unelectable".
Between that and Obama stealing the Holy Oak/Smithy/NoHo vote that is into the interacial-sexperimentation, Hillary is done.
This has been a great year for American politics.
Keep up the good work and don't deny yourself the pre-production indulgence.
Posted by Jed Brass | February 12, 2008 8:10 PM
Jed,
Accusing Ana of being "so 1998" is so 2002...
Posted by pme | February 12, 2008 8:58 PM
On Sunday Obama said that he thought HRC was caught in the politics of the last 15 years and yesterday she proved it in a big way. She basically came right out and said that she has no nationwide strategy, which gives the impression that she slept through the big gains that dems made in 2006. She may have slept through the 2006 campaign, because when the democrats needed someone to go into a red state it was Obama they sent again and again.
I think her comments about small states and caucuses show she didn't expect to have to compete after Super Tuesday, and now she has neither organizations in place in post Super Tuesday states, nor the money to put them there. In contrast, Obama has a tremendous organization in place which will only grow stronger should he become the nominee.
Posted by superterrificdelegate | February 12, 2008 9:30 PM
PME,
You are so right and completely 2004.
Posted by Jed Brass | February 12, 2008 9:51 PM
If Hillary is the new Rudy, does this mean she's planning on changing from pantsuits to dresses as well?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR5pXxcBbWs
Somehow I think Rudy will always be the sharper dresser...
Posted by Disenfranchised_Libertarian | February 12, 2008 10:59 PM
Off topic, but good-bye Al Wynn.
Nancy Pelosi's support was just enough to get Wynn almost within spitting distance of the 40% mark in the primary.
Posted by Elvis Elvisberg
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February 12, 2008 11:24 PM
I should say, that's with around 40% of the districts reporting. So things could change. That said, being down 59-36, 7600+ votes, doesn't look good for Al.
Posted by Elvis Elvisberg
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February 12, 2008 11:25 PM
Yikes! I think you're pulling your analysis from a very dark place here, Ana.
Hillary's popularity hasn't gone anywhere as people have taken a better look at her, as even the most cursory glance at your sister site Real Clear Politics can show you. Her polling has actually increased over the course of the primary, just not as fast as Obama's.
We know that working with Joe must put terrible pressure on you to just make stuff up. Please resist.
Posted by Anon | February 13, 2008 5:12 AM
Jed,
So glad you noticed. So, what next? We could talk about her book, move the clock up another couple of years...
Posted by pme | February 13, 2008 7:04 AM
At what point do the esteemed DNC party elders -- Mondork, Dudcockus, Crater, Kanary, Scream, Dashole, Rosty, Jezze, Cynthia McKinney, Babs, Cyrus Vance's rotting corpse -- make their long, slow perp parade to Billaryland, to inform Blozo Inc. that their Arab extortionist, Canadian pardon paid, Red Chinese restaurant dough donkey walk lame legacy IS actually over?
Senator Shiksa will spend the next 3 futile weeks trying to sell more stale Shrill & Strident, as her divining dividing promise to pinheads still waiting for the government unions to make a comeback (in Texas?), events mostly attended by her core IRS NTEU clerics in Austin, border bashers in Laredo, and bionic white trash AARP meth heads from West Britneyville.
And all because her spazoid spousal unit couldn't keep his fat I'M THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE ROOM yapper shut (again) for 5 extra minutes once a week for a month.
The only real sad part?
All the time and money wasted on the Clixons, that could have been spent on something or someone or some place of actual need, and actual merit.
= CONSPIRACY COLLAPSE ACCOMPLISHED =
Posted by QUESTION HILLARY
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February 13, 2008 7:48 AM
AMC,
Yeah, the Rudy parallels with Florida fit (I was thinking along these lines a few days ago), but I think your second point is a real reach. So a year ago she was popular because no one knew her? Huh? This is Hillary you're talking about, right? She has been (a) hated for years, and (b) in the national spotlight constantly. At the start of the campaign she consistently polled the lowest when voters were asked, which candidate would you like to know more about, because evrybody had more or less made up their minds about her.
I don't think you are seeing people sour on her, but rather, people who supported her unenthusiastically are seeing someone else they like better. (Then again, has her support really fallen, or is it that all the other candidates dropped out, leaving only one alternative? Maybe a bit of both.)
Posted by Malcolm | February 13, 2008 8:18 AM
pme,
I haven't read it.
Tough to top 1997's effort.
Posted by Jed Brass | February 13, 2008 8:52 AM
Jed,
Have to admit that I only read the reviews.
1997. Good times.
Posted by pme | February 13, 2008 10:13 AM
A fish...
Posted by pme | February 13, 2008 11:51 AM
A very perceptive well thought out analysis. Increasingly Hillary reminds me of Bruce Willis' character in the 6th Sense - she won't know she's dead until the end of the movie.
Posted by Sender | February 13, 2008 12:59 PM
A barrel...
Posted by Jed Brass | February 14, 2008 9:54 AM
Indeed.
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