February 29, 2008 2:51
Last Dog in Intensive Care
Waco, Texas
Some signs that things aren't going so well:
1. The Red Phone Ad As Karen recounts below, a 24-year-old ad? From Walter Mondale? And easily refutable by Obama--who said, in response, earlier today: "We've had a red phone moment in Iraq." And Clinton voted the wrong way. But the more substantive question is this: What has Clinton shown us so far in this election that demonstrates her superiority and toughness on national security issues? Not much. Clinton has worked hard to accumulate some expertise over the past 5 years on the Armed Services Committee, but in this campaign she hasn't made much use of it. Last summer, she criticized Obama, appropriately, on a minor point: you lay the groundwork carefully before agreeing to meet with an adversary (I'm sure a President Obama wouldn't just fly off to Habana without staffing it out first...and I'm equally sure that President Clinton would make the same efforts as Obama to end the utterly foolish and counterproductive U.S. policy of not recognizing our adversaries.) She also criticized Obama inappropriately--as McCain did--about his willingness to go after Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan.
But, one might ask, where's the beef? What substantive policy proposal has she made that demonstrates how she'd be a better Commander in Chief than Obama? I can't think of any.
2. Conference Call Hell As we rode down to Waco from Fort Worth on the Clinton bus this noon, various cellphones had the Clinton-spinners press conference-call on speaker. It was intolerable, like being forced into a small room with that obnoxious Cincinnati talk radio host. It went on for an hour and a half, and I was beginning to wonder if there was a hostage situation. The big news, the new spin was that Obama was going to have to prove his front-runnerdom by winning all 4 primaries next week. This sort of spin is...so 4 cycles ago. Do Penn and Wolfson etc. actually think this has any effect beyond making them seem stupid and petty?
3. Meanwhile, the candidate--as is her wont--continues to hold meetings of substance...about the economy in Ohio yesterday, about alternative energy in Texas last night. Completely admirable. If she's going out, it's with class.
Update: Clinton just finished a solid, if unspectacular, speech about military affairs here in Waco, with an impressive array of brass--several of the 27 generals and admirals who've endorsed her--standing on stage. She hammered Obama for being "AWOL" on various national security isses--like his failure to hold hearings about NATO and Afghanistan as chair of the European Affairs Subcommittee...and his failure to show up for a Iran vote (in which she, dubiously, sided with the Bush Administration in favor of labeling the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps--or IRGC--a terrorist organization).
She had nothing new to say about Iraq or Afghanistan...and, it seems to me, that this national security theme is coming very late in the game. After all, her expertise--and obvious interest--in this area was an important difference she had with Obama and, as she said today, "We've never had an election where national security wasn't an issue."
But, as one of her generals told me, "It's not the sort of issue that lights up Democrats"--which was evident today, as the Waco crowd (not overwhemingly large) came alive only toward the end, when she turned to domestic issues.
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Reader Comments (40)
Going out with class......except for that tasteless and useless red-phone piece.
Posted by Johnny Guitar | February 29, 2008 3:23 PM
Dammit Joe, you had me until the last sentence.
I don't think many people will look back on her campaign and think of class.
Posted by ghostlawns | February 29, 2008 3:27 PM
I know you guys are bored Joe, but I have heard so much more than I ever wanted to about Hillary's campaign staff, what they are saying, etc. Dueling ads, etc.
"Meanwhile, the candidate--as is her wont--continues to hold meetings of substance...about the economy in Ohio yesterday, about alternative energy in Texas last night."
ONE sentence in a post this length?? Of course you complain endlessly if the campaign isn't passing information along constantly. We know what a swell guy McCain is with the press, we know how candidate Bush treated the press -- nicknames, etc. I haven't heard a word about any spin from the Obama staff compared with the oceans of ink about the trash coming from Hillary's staff. Do they not speak to the press? Or do they only say substantive things that don't even need to be reported?
Just wondering.
Posted by ivb | February 29, 2008 3:35 PM
That's my girl.
A tough broad. A strong woman. A classy lady.
I've been a supporter of hers since 1992 and I know I will cry during her concession speech.
Posted by Southern Bell | February 29, 2008 3:35 PM
Neither of the Global Gutter Twins IS particularly stalwart, when it comes to seeing the active threat and then ACTING upon such, eh?
:: Kosovo, hell or not, was NEVER a U.S. national security priority. It was ugly, long, and continues today, but another instance of Americans shipping out to clean up some Old European mess that any drunk German with a handgun could have corrected, given local political support. That the spineless twerps in Brussels yet still continue the same gutless crap in Afghanistan? I can't wait to see the geniuses of Pristina Airport fix THAT one.
:: Saddam was a terrorist, armed by North Korea, and he sheltered & trained scum and armed them too. His idiot deceased sons were in Talibanland, Al Quedans were in Iraq before we last landed, Hamas and Hezbollah are exporting murder bombers to Baghdad daily -- where, Joke, do you think these Gaza nuts go nowadays, to grow not old & die, lacking the IDF targets that came so cheap before the wall?
:: The PLO legacies have received more foreign aid from the U.S. than any enclave outside Egypt (including the lefty loon targeted Israel). Bang for the buck NOT (unless you count student unions and wedding parties).
:: Iran continues to stir & fry in Iraq, Gaza, Afghanistan. Doubt it? Read the UPC labels on their somewhat degraded murder bombers, and get back to us on who sourced the parts, and when.
:: Lebanon. Again.
:: Darfur. Jut beginning.
:: Somalia. MUCH better, but not a victory at sea.
Bush 43 did not create these messes, but give him some credit for DOING something about these long festering pus balls on the gum line of otherwise decent lives.
I have yet to hear, EXACTLY, what the Dean Screams populating this board and not actual work plan to do, better and with certainty, other than YAP about the painfully obvious, and the decades neglected.
= LEAD, FOLLOW, OR SHUT THE HELL UP =
Posted by obamish
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February 29, 2008 3:37 PM
"If she's going out, it's with class."
Main Entry:
cognitive dissonance
Function:
noun
Date:
1957
: psychological conflict resulting from incongruous beliefs and attitudes held simultaneously
Posted by Titus Pullo | February 29, 2008 3:41 PM
If she's going out, it's with class.
A classy lady.
I do not think that word means what you think it does.
Posted by fedupwithswampland | February 29, 2008 3:44 PM
"She also criticized Obama inappropriately--as McCain did--about his willingness to go after Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan."
Who do you (and O'Bonger) think lights up for the PREDATORS over the goat caves, Joe? The kids at the ACLU and Humus Lefts Watch?
Yes, let's do the ground incursion.
It only took 2 years to slog through Italy, 60 years ago.
Pakistan should take no more than 5 times that, if we start today.
When does Howard Dean's kid ship out?
Gore's perhaps?
Hillary's?
Leftosi's?
Bush's mistake was not issuing The Ultimatum to the muslim state scum the same day the Twin Towers fell -- and then delivering the overwhelming force to make justice not only prevail, but survive.
For my DOD money, they can bomb the b-jeezes out of every funeral cortège in Gaza and Meccan MeetUp on the calendar, until the m-f's get the g-d message.
Even if our whining media and tenured academics never will.
Posted by obamish
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February 29, 2008 3:49 PM
Meanwhile, the candidate--as is her wont--continues to hold meetings of substance
Some people are just wonky.
If she's engaging in "meetings of substance" that might be because that what she enjoys.
Posted by Paul Dirks
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February 29, 2008 3:52 PM
C'mon one more post about Hillary's ham handed campaign or on the take Superdelegates and the whole front page will be McCain free.
Just sad.
Posted by Paul-no not that one | February 29, 2008 3:53 PM
Editorial Note: obamish appears to be an American.
Posted by obamish
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February 29, 2008 3:54 PM
Got it -- everyone on the campaign bus hates the candidate and the campaign.
Posted by Todd and in Charge | February 29, 2008 3:55 PM
MEANWHILE, BACK AT DUMBO THE CANDIDATE PARTY CENTRAL...
Oh say can you see and hear me now, my fellow tenured Amnesians?
What I said, and have electoral college hope too, Pizza & Just Ice small mall franchise people, that one fine day I might carry a single NRA member state in the South or Midwest, and all that other buzzy buzz buzzword bogus news jazz from Old New York, as we are gathered here today in [name any empty AAFL arena] to dedicate our sadly non-union forces if not my own cute unemployable union constituents to the impending invasion of virtually tankless Canada.
Mind you, we can forgive Canuckistan their marginal comedy contributions to border security at Horseshoe Falls, that has kept Al Queda from rolling over the Martin Lawrence Seetheway into the bedrooms of Vermonters visiting mostly French relatives a tad north of Burlington's biggest political blowhard since OVM dropped their football program, but be ever mindful as the sun shines grayly through the massive winter snows of this awful Global Upstate Warmup season, that our men and gayer men in Clinton-era hot hot uniforms will do their Kerry duty fastest, just as so many future Kennedy kinsmen have done before, from the steamy shores of Paris to the steamy shorts of Hyannisport, but for the benefit of corn rows and corn stills alike, Allah Allah In Come Free Amen.
NAFTA is not a four-letter noun perhaps, but when splitting legal semantics and skipping floor votes I've learned through about a year of actual day job experience not federally EEOC funded for fans of Rezko Realty, that there's nothing like talking when action only seems to get in the way, and by my blessed Koran fed fealty of Farrakhan quiet rioting I will lead our shrill, strident shortly All Lesbian Armed Forces and their stunning Stirrup Pants Brigade, mightily helped by SecDef Dean and Ambassador to Rural America Oprah, in a media rousing, ever loud even foray for five minutes or so until we can relent to the sortie of metroshizzle feel good times that form the thin-skinned cornerstone of my borderline cowardly and certainly populist pinhead campaign.
Taking back Toronto from the Jews and Chinese may not make the world go away, but as Hillary so boldly showed us in Waco and Christina Airport, it does tend to keep poodle people from speculating on such sally matters as fiscal restitution, troop hemp readiness, blowout tax policy, freeish market growth, South Boston reparations, sustainable eco-families, and female facial hair.
I ask you all to partially pray for the remaining officers and senior NCO's that won't bolt from the Army and Marines the second I'm voted American Idle, and their bi-sexual next of California union dolt kin, as we move across the Manitoba wheat killing fields, into the rink dangers that are Winnipeg, and on to swishy Vancouver to once and for all trounce the many poor examples of late 70's architecture and gangling paved public parks, that have for too long been the bastion of undertaxed out of state freeloaders not on eBay skimming the profits from the vital public access medical channels that our Take A Number killer nurse mavens can't wait to replicate for total financial ruin, during my shining First 100 Days in incompetence and AARP collusion.
Faint not no more cold Wiscasset lager and cigarette crowds expecting a moral miracle, your selfish self-imposed hell of a whining suburban PTA period will soon be over, as the Grand Army of the Pelosi fords Hamilton Beach and Molson Wetlands, to unify the forces of mental goop, and rid ourselves of the Axis of Ice that empowers few but enshowers nuns when they get the new blue line rules, such rules being something we might soon assimilate whether we need to or not, for the goal being not just goals but excessive goals paper pusher burrocrat stockpiles speaking, so forever may it legal hack rain.
Give Me A "B", Give Me An "O", thanks for coming today and remember to vote for meesa and VEEP nom Cindy Shiite on November 14th against that old war hero Surge guy, singing off Stevie Wonder until free supper, Yours Truly Senator Q-Tip.
Posted by obamish
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February 29, 2008 3:57 PM
What a cesspool you've let this become.
Posted by Paul-no not that one | February 29, 2008 4:14 PM
going out with class?
Halperin reports that she just said this in Waco (echoing Wolfson):
“Sen. Obama says if we talk about national security, we are trying to scare people. I don’t think Texans scare that easily.”
No, Senator Obama says if you try to scare people on national security, it makes you a small person. Like George Bush. Like John McCain.
Posted by along | February 29, 2008 4:23 PM
Still no comment from Time on the McCain-Hagee embrace.
Posted by sy | February 29, 2008 4:24 PM
This board really needs some sort of moderation system. Some of these posts are pure gibberish.
Posted by Shambly | February 29, 2008 4:26 PM
sy:
Still no comment from Time on the McCain-Hagee embrace.
Posted by sy
Or his embrace of a "particularly exquisite" form of torture.
Posted by Jim, Foolish Literalist | February 29, 2008 4:31 PM
Still no comment from Time on the McCain-Hagee embrace.
The McCain campaign has issued a statement.
In no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee’s views, which I obviously do not.
Since it's not obvious to me, I'd suggest the candidate present a white paper detailing how he differs from Hagee on the role of the Catholic Church in these imminent end times.
Posted by Paul Dirks
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February 29, 2008 4:50 PM
Michael, McCain says the Hagee story is over
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/180846.php
You can come out now.
Posted by Paul-no not that one | February 29, 2008 4:51 PM
I'm sorry Joe, but how is running a tasteless and stupid fear ad "going out with class"?
Posted by four legs good | February 29, 2008 4:58 PM
Halperin takes his political operative job damned seriously Jim.
Did you catch this at TPM:
McCain's statement on Hagee, his new endorser, who calls the Catholic Church the "great whore" and "anti-christ" ...
"Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas. However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not.
"I am hopeful that Catholics, Protestants and all people of faith who share my vision for the future of America will respond to our message of defending innocent life, traditional marriage, and compassion for the most vulnerable in our society."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/180846.php
Posted by sy | February 29, 2008 4:59 PM
Shambly:
The gibberish mostly comes from obamish, formerly known as Question Hillary TM. I think of him as being a little bit like Gollum. He's actually quite stimulating to conversations here, when he decides to be lucid.
Posted by Cliff | February 29, 2008 5:02 PM
The thing to remember about Obamish is that he has an indifferent relationship with his meds, and you could start out having a good conversation with lucid Obamish and end up with word salad. Caveat commentor, is all I'm sayin'...
Posted by Paul Daniel Ash
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February 29, 2008 5:46 PM
joe: did she say "AWOL" or, like Halperin is reporting, "MIA"? Two very different concepts for Veterans, obviously. I would expect her to use AWOL, but if she used MIA, it would reinforce the idea that she is off her game, and kind of losing it.
Posted by along | February 29, 2008 5:52 PM
Does Obama have any answers that don't revolve around the Iraq War vote? Because he's going to need them if he makes it to McCain. He's starting to sound like Giuliani, just repeating a different note.
Posted by Martin Gale
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February 29, 2008 6:06 PM
Ok, I am so stealing caveat commentor.
Posted by jose | February 29, 2008 6:07 PM
Bolding mine:
Would eating a raw steak help?
Seriously, you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Posted by Aaron | February 29, 2008 6:28 PM
I am so stealing caveat commentor.
I just made it open-source, dude, go wild.
Posted by Paul Daniel Ash
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February 29, 2008 6:32 PM
If this ad is so lame why did Obama copy it? Oh yeah everything Hillary does he does too. Did you happen to notice the debate, Obama agreed with all that Clinton said.
Posted by AnnL | February 29, 2008 9:19 PM
Joe, even though you never read the comments, you really should. For example, you could find confirmation that Hillary's campaign has collapsed. To wit:
Cliff:
Shambly:
The gibberish mostly comes from obamish, formerly known as Question Hillary TM.
When even QH gives it up, you know its beyond hopeless.
Posted by glwinslc | February 29, 2008 10:39 PM
"As Karen recounts below, a 24-year-old ad? From Walter Mondale?"
I wasn't born yet. That's all. Could be the reason you're having problems, Hillary.
P.S. Some of those Latinos and women you're counting on weren't born yet either.
Posted by stringer | February 29, 2008 10:56 PM
Wow.
Caveat commentor
Priceless.
I'm so upset I didn't think of that.
Posted by stuart_zechman | February 29, 2008 11:06 PM
Martin Gale,
You're right. McCain will have facts at his finger tips and jargon to spare on military matters. If he catches Obama out in a debate, even if it's something silly like the average service life of the standard combat boot, it will make for a bad moment.
Posted by Robert Beswick | February 29, 2008 11:15 PM
You're worried about how Obama will do debating against McCain? Wasn't everyone saying how old, tired, and smug he looked and sounded in his last few debates against Romney. It could end up like the first Reagan-Mondale debate.
Posted by Malcolm | March 1, 2008 3:52 AM
AnnL:
"If this ad is so lame why did Obama copy it?"
He didn't copy it - he mocked it.
Posted by Malcolm | March 1, 2008 3:53 AM
I will be very happy if Obama wins both Texas and Ohio on Tuesday for many reasons, not the least of which is the hope that I won't have to listen to whatever bile Wolfson and Penn are spewing much longer.
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منتديات دليل مواقع منتدى قريش منتدى صور الكون شبكة اسلاميه العاب مركز تحميل تحميل صور
اداره مواضيع المميزه تعارف تبادل نصي تبادل روابط نصيه اهدائات ترحيب تعارف خدمة الاعضاء الرئيسيه مواضيع اسلاميه مواضيع عامه نقاش حوار السياحه السفر الاخباريه جريمه اثاره الرياضه سيارات دراجات ناريه الاسره المجتمع شباب العربي ابناء ادم عالم حواء بنات حواء عالم الطفل الطفل الطب الصحه مطبخ الزواج الحياه الزوجيه ديكور اثاث منزلي اشغال يدويه الابداعات الشعريه الابداعات الادبيه همس القوافي شعر عذب الكلام خواطر قصص روايات ترفيهيه العاب مسابقات نكت ضحك فرفشه افلام انمي افلام كرتون المكتبه الصوتيه المكتبه السمعيه الابداع التصوير الفوتغرافي فوتشوب فلاش سويتش صور صور ورده تصاميم الاعضاء ابداعات الاعضاء تقنيه الالكترونيه الاتصالات كمبيوتر برامج كمبيوتر برامج ماسنجر ماسنجر هوتميل ماسنجر ياهو جوال موبايل برامج جوال ارشيف مواضيع مكرره مواضيع محذوفه
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