February 11, 2008 2:36
Behind the Music: Hillary Clinton
An ad for young people or an old person's idea of an ad for young people?
I'm reminded of that Mr. Show sketch where the parents put on board shorts and Vans and toss around a beach ball impersonating teens in a show called something like, "Just Rappin!" They say things like, "I'm going to get my hair cut so that people can see my pretty face!" and, "I'm going to get a job because the gas tank doesn't fill itself!" I think today they'd add, "And I'm going to vote for Hillary because she'll keep college affordable!"
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Reader Comments (47)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html
And I'm going to vote Republican because I hate co-impeached cowards.
Posted by QUESTION HILLARY
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February 11, 2008 2:39 PM
I heard this is what the kids are into these days. In my day, we voted for Hillary without any of that rock music and we wore an onion from our belt, cause it was the style of the times. Me thinks I hear a little Death Cab in the background. Implicit emo endorsement or theft?
Posted by NHCt | February 11, 2008 2:46 PM
This reminds me vaguely of that terrible Ron Paul ad from NH with the poor acting. This ad seems like it was thought up at a board meeting with the consensus being something like:
"Obama's getting the youth vote, what can we do?"
"The youth loves rock bands, lets put Hillary in band and make a documentary!"
"Yes! Everyone likes Obama because he acts like a rock star. Ok, let's get a bunch of kids and make them pretend Hillary is a rock star."
And on a parallel, there actually is a candidate in a rock band, Huckabee. In fact, Huckabee never even had to quit his band to run for president. He took it on the road with him. I would love to see Huckabee's reaction to this tepid crap.
Posted by ghostlawns | February 11, 2008 2:49 PM
Well you know she's trying.
What's next, a WaPo commercial to the youth extolling the intrinsic coolness of David Broder?
Posted by attaturk | February 11, 2008 2:49 PM
Is it just me or are all of Hillary's commercials horrible?
Have you seen the one with the skydiver? http://youtube.com/watch?v=37LwStiMs6Y
When the guy in the jumpsuit smiles I want to throw something at the TV. It's like they're being made by some kid in his basement with iMovie.
Posted by Disenfranchised_Libertarian | February 11, 2008 2:49 PM
Props for the Mr. Show reference, btw.
Posted by Disenfranchised_Libertarian | February 11, 2008 2:49 PM
completely irrelevant. and i hope this video makes the college rounds... because Hillz support would dwindle.
tacky, pitiful. perfect.
Posted by Kevbo | February 11, 2008 2:50 PM
The only things this video reminded me of is the fact that VH1 stopped producing the always entertaining and occasionally excellent Behind The Music and decided to focus their entire programing around celebrity reality shows.
That, and Hillary has no idea how to relate to anyone under 70.
Posted by dan f | February 11, 2008 2:54 PM
"Yes, we can," it ain't.
Posted by Memekiller
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February 11, 2008 2:56 PM
Just a bad ad? Or a signal that the "boomer" generation of politicians are HOPELESSLY out of touch with anything people under the age of 45 are concerned with?
I vote for the latter. That's why Obama's "unify and change" mantra is catching on - first with the young, then with high income younger voters, then with African Americans, and gradually within Clinton's own base of blue-collar workers and women. The cultural battles of the 1960s mean nothing to today's generation, where we'd all just appreciate it if we got along in a somewhat dignified manner and got SOMETHING/ANYTHING done.
That ad is as out of touch as Clinton's entire campaign and the past 20 years of politics, completely missing how real people think and feel. Yes I Can didn't work because it had musicians - it worked because it's message fit with what we're looking for: change, a new start, politics of consensus and unity rather than scorched earth tactics.
Please, Senator Clinton, make more of these ads....everytime you do, I'm sure Obama's numbers tick ever slightly upwards.
Posted by Chaddogg | February 11, 2008 3:03 PM
When does Annette Funicello show us her boobs?
Posted by QUESTION HILLARY
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February 11, 2008 3:04 PM
That makes me want to fall on the sharp end of a poo-covered stick.
Posted by Cookie Puss
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February 11, 2008 3:05 PM
FREE PUNCH LINE: "Oh, I thought you said STIRRUP pants."
Write your own set-up.
Best joke, judged by midnight Tuesday, wins a free Hillary superdelegate from Sears.
Sears.
Where Value Means More.
Posted by QUESTION HILLARY
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February 11, 2008 3:09 PM
Thankfully Chelsea can still connect with the youth, although the music chosen for her events seems as old as her mom - http://www.mddailyrecord.com/article.cfm?id=4299&type=UTTM.
"Chelsea Clinton avoided mentioning her mother's rival in a subdued and poorly-attended question-and-answer session promoting Sen. Hillary Clinton's Democratic primary campaign at the University of Maryland's campus Sunday...By 11:15 a.m., when Chelsea Clinton was scheduled to appear, the seats in the food court were barely filled. A few more observers filtered in as a band played covers of "All Along the Watchtower" by Bob Dylan and "Moondance" by Van Morrison. Some of those in the audience just happened to be there for other reasons.
"We were here to see the Kermit [the Frog] statue," said Jim Stover, a criminal justice graduate student.
He and his friend decided to stay because they like hearing candidates speak regardless of their party. The availability of lunch from Panda Express made for an added bonus."
Posted by Disenfranchised_Libertarian | February 11, 2008 3:10 PM
Thats Hilarious!!!
Spot on with the Mr. Show reference!
Posted by wittenborn | February 11, 2008 3:11 PM
Just a bad ad? Or a signal that the "boomer" generation of politicians are HOPELESSLY out of touch with anything people under the age of 45 are concerned with?
Pretty much the latter. It's hard to be "in touch" when you are that self-absorbed.
Posted by vicious maniac | February 11, 2008 3:11 PM
Kids today don't know how good they have it.
I remember when a 10 MB hard drive was the size of shoebox and 1200 bbs was cutting edge blinding transfer speed.
I couldn't help but notice that end the war was #3 on the list. You'd think it would be a tad higher up the priorities.....
Posted by Paul Dirks
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February 11, 2008 3:13 PM
"We were here to see the Kermit [the Frog] statue," said Jim Stover, a criminal justice graduate student.
BWWWWWWWWWWWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!
Not THAT, ahem, IS infotainment.
Posted by QUESTION HILLARY
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February 11, 2008 3:13 PM
Well, I for one (a 21 year old, white male college student) actually really like it. I think it's clever, and really drives the point home that Hillary's message is not a campaign about vague, ephemeral ideas, but actually about substance.
Posted by Justin | February 11, 2008 3:40 PM
Ah, but there were some good videos out today, via atrios.
No you can't
Just three words
Posted by jayackroyd
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February 11, 2008 3:43 PM
My favorites line: "Clinton argued that caucuses are 'primarily dominated by activists' and that 'they don't represent the electorate, we know that.'"
Like say blogosphere activists? Like anti-war activists, life we rabid lefties and kooky academics that can't quite get over her pro war votes? Or those of us who cannot stomach Mark (Blackwater, Chalabi, big tobacco and union busting) Penn running her show?
Ladies and gents. Obama may indeed be the emperor without clothes, but better the devil I don't know.
"Clinton dismisses weekend losses"
Posted at CNN: 03:14 PM ET
Clinton downplayed her weekend losses Monday.
WHITE MARSH, Maryland (CNN) — Hillary Clinton on Monday explained away Barack Obama's clean sweep of the weekend's caucuses and primaries as a product of a caucus system that favors "activists" and, in the case of the Louisiana primary, an energized African-American community.
She told reporters who had gathered to watch her tour a General Motors plant here that "everybody knew, you all knew, what the likely outcome of these recent contests were."
"These are caucus states by and large, or in the case of Louisiana, you know, a very strong and very proud African-American electorate, which I totally respect and understand."
Clinton has publicly dismissed the caucus voting system since before Super Tuesday, seeking to lower expectations heading into a series of contests that played to Obama's advantage. His campaign features what many consider to be a stronger and more dedicated grassroots organization than Clinton's.
Noting that "my husband never did well in caucus states either," Clinton argued that caucuses are "primarily dominated by activists" and that "they don't represent the electorate, we know that."
The New York senator went out of her way to say she was "absolutely" looking forward to the Ohio and Texas primaries in March, where she believes voters are more receptive to her bread-and-butter message.
She also downplayed many of Obama's Super Tuesday victories, describing them as states that Democrats should not expect to win in November.
"It is highly unlikely we will win Alaska or North Dakota or Idaho or Nebraska," she said, naming several of Obama's red state wins. "But we have to win Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, Michigan … And we've got to be competitive in places like Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma."
Posted by Oregon JC | February 11, 2008 3:46 PM
Activist:
Someone who cares sufficently about the issues to actually participate in the political process in a meaningful manner.
compare
The Electorate:
Someone who only shows up at the polls on election day and pulls the lever for whoever makes them feel better based on what Wolf Blitzer told them the other night.
How the hell did we ever allow "activist" to become an epithet.
And shame on Hillary for using the term in that manner. Lets see how well she'll fare without her own set of "activists"
Posted by Paul Dirks
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February 11, 2008 4:13 PM
Shark jump.
Posted by marcus | February 11, 2008 4:17 PM
Disenfranchised-
Did you notice in the sky diver ad that the guy changes clothes in mid-air - i.e., there are two different sky divers. They just cobbled together footage they got from somewhere.
I wonder how many people will turn it off because it makes them queasy. The premise is appalling
Posted by KathyR | February 11, 2008 4:24 PM
Kathy -
I did notice the chance of clothes! Somehow the man lost his red pants during the fall.
Maybe the first sky diver's parachute didn't open and they had to find a replacement? Or maybe they did it on purpose??? The white pants represent the failing economy, the red pants represent Hillary's economic plans? The guy's pants change when the stock market goes up?
Either way, it's kind of strange.
Posted by Disenfranchised_Libertarian | February 11, 2008 4:43 PM
I was at an Obama rally in College Park today, and THAT guy knows how to connect with young people. The UMD campus really turned out, and I was really surprised how the group of professionally-disaffected youth around me responded to what he had to say. He was very impressive. When he leaves office, he should give classes to politicians on how to get the youth vote.
Posted by DaveR | February 11, 2008 4:49 PM
Dis-Lib
What's really astonishing is that these people think the electorate is as clueless as they are, and that No One Will Notice!
Posted by KathyR | February 11, 2008 4:50 PM
Does anyone more familiar with YouTube than I am know if posters are able to moderate the comments posted there? I just looked and it's nothing but 'Go Hillz' comments over there. Seems a little fishy, and I'm wondering how many campaign interns it takes to delete the (presumably hundreds, if not thousands) of negative comments headed toward this disaster.
Btw, not sure if this is the Mr. Show clip you were talking about...
Posted by oh2dc | February 11, 2008 5:11 PM
Wow. That ad was crap.
Posted by Harry | February 11, 2008 5:25 PM
AMC: An ad for young people or an old person's idea of an ad for young people?
Either way, it's lame...I always hated when folks older than I tried using the language of my g-g-generation in an effort to tell me how cool they were supposed to be.
Posted by grape_crush | February 11, 2008 5:57 PM
Time's Swampland: dumping ground for no-talents, or, well, OK, there's only one choice.
While Time is concentrating on throwing out the red meat, let me suggest that those of a more journalistic bent go to Hillary's appearances and ask her about that college affordability:
http://nomoreblather.com/hillary-clinton-dream-act
Posted by NoMoreBlatherDotCom
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February 11, 2008 5:59 PM
If you'd taken out Hillary from the ad and inserted Obama, these same people who are attacking it would be falling all over themselves praising its brilliance, and complimenting Obama for how hip he is, how in tune with the younger generation, how he doesn't take himself seriously, and so on and so on and so on. Of course, he's Obama, so his mere presence would make the ad immortal.
I sometimes wonder if anything can be as deranged and ignorant as the people who post on freerepublic and kindred sites, and every four years Democratic primary season rolls around to answer my question.
Posted by Martin Gale
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February 11, 2008 6:05 PM
Reading the old people unself-consciously mocking the candidate for being clumsy trying to relate to young people is funny.
Posted by another david | February 11, 2008 6:20 PM
@Martin Gale - sorry, but you're wrong. This is lame regardless of who is in it. Honestly, if it ran in the 1860s and featured Abraham Lincoln, I'd still make fun of it.
And Obama is far too cool to pander as blatantly as Senator Clinton appears to be in this ad. I mean, this is honestly the type of "hip" thing my mom would try to do, like writing a really bad "rap song" as a joke....and hence why I can't support its epic lameness.
Posted by Chaddogg | February 11, 2008 7:36 PM
The way I read this ad was not as an attempt to appeal to young voters, but as mocking some of the Obama folks who treat him like a rock star instead of actually bothering to learn what his positions are.
Posted by TeresaKopec | February 11, 2008 7:54 PM
You know, teresa, i think you're right. Didn't occur to me.
Which is an entirely different line of criticism.
Posted by jayackroyd
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February 11, 2008 8:29 PM
This attempt to capture or pretend to have captured the magic of the Obama campaign will not work - there is nothing wrong with Clinton's campaign - except that she is running against Obama. James McBride wrote a book, published in 1996, called "The Color of Water." Obama captures the essence of the struggle represented in the book....http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/02/11/barack-obama-the-color-of-water/
Posted by Ohg Rea Tone
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February 11, 2008 8:31 PM
As a seventeen-year-old who will be voting for the first time in the upcoming presidential election I can honestly say that it is ads like this that detract from Hillary's appeal for me personally. Such blatant stereotyping is condescending and patronizing. It would do her well to realize that Obama does not have the youth vote because of his "rock star status" but because for the first time in a long time, he is a politician who speaks to a generation and doesn't rely on overly gimmicky ads or such blatant profiling.
Posted by Anni | February 11, 2008 9:12 PM
"For a period of maybe four, five months, we were the hottest campaign around."
Posted by Poindexter | February 11, 2008 10:22 PM
I was at an Obama rally here at Denver, and I'm 20 years old, and quite frankly I was disgusted at the way the people there were so patronizing-- treating the crowd of college students like a bunch of TRL-watching kids. I've been to a Kerry rally, and a Clinton rally and by far the Obama rally was creepiest, weirdest rally I've been at. I really hope my peers aren't as shallow as the squealing girls for Obama make them out to be. Politics are important, and while I think there's nothing wrong with getting the crowd "fired up," we should treat them with a tiny bit more decorum than the Hannah Montana concert.
Posted by dj1mt | February 11, 2008 11:43 PM
This is utterly priceless...
Already shown this junk to like 15 people, and the general consensus is this: LAME.
Seriously, though, what the heck is Hillary's campaign thinking? Balatant pandering like this, especially poorly done pandering, just makes her whole campaign a bad joke.
Posted by Aurion | February 11, 2008 11:57 PM
nomoreblatherdotcom:
how does the dream act take college "discounts" away from Americans? The law is INCLUSIONARY and NOT EXCLUSIONARY. By making such ignorant, know-nothing, silly statements, you make your name and website quite ironic...
Posted by dj1mt | February 12, 2008 1:44 AM
Wow -- highly lame.
Posted by Todd and in Charge | February 12, 2008 9:13 AM
In my best Cartman-as-A.W.E.S.O.M.E.-O 3000 voice:
Lame.
Oh, and The Wife concurs.
Posted by Cubiclewarrior | February 12, 2008 4:01 PM
Uh QUESTION HILLARY!!!Go ahead and vote
republican.We really need the war to go on
for a 100 years.duh.
Posted by kerry | February 12, 2008 5:39 PM
and the top 1 percent to keep getting the tax breaks.
Posted by kerry | February 12, 2008 6:04 PM
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