Re: No Big Deal

Tell Katie to wait a few minutes and when the political winds start blowing the other direction Mrs. Clinton will blow right along with them. Tough to stand your ground when you're never in one place for long.

I tell you, this is a populist election. After 8 years of people rolling over for George Bush and the various forces that supported him, people want someone who is "one of them" to stand their ground against all the BS--and there's been tons of it.

"it's a reminder to all of us that these moments don't always get the same reaction from the public that they do out of the assembled media. We feed on each other's reactions sometimes"

Sometimes?

How heartleft! How touching! What an outstanding example of soul searching!

Notice that all these bits of honesty are coming out now that the key primary is over, and the cackling bitch Hillary has been battered, while the great Saint McCain has been fluffed to his full length. Where was all this self examination when it counted?

This reminds me of nothing so much as the pathetic Tumulty giving her card to Tipper -- after sitting on her spreading ass for two years and saying nothing while her colleagues "fed on each other" and destroyed Al Gore's campaign. Now, these same creatures are going to show what upstanding "journalists" they are, by coming clean about parts of their misconduct -- only parts, and even those they will whitewash -- a few days too late, of course.

This sudden outpouring of "Yes! We do it! Yes! We make mistakes! But we're admitting it!" is even more sickening and dishonest than the way you people have not been doing your jobs for 15 years. You are thoroughly, utterly disgusting.

We feed on each other's reactions sometimes, and tend to make spot judgments that prove to be totally off the mark.

Uh... yeah.

I'm sorry if this comes as a shock, but we noticed.

First Read is reporting that there were allegdly some sexist hecklers at the Hillary speech in salem telling her to "Iron my Shirt."

I call plant on this one. It fits with the message of the day. First Bill Clinton says he can't make HIllary into a man. Second, Hillary cries to get sympathy from female voters. Third, just by coincidence, there are sexist hecklers in an audience later that day, which obviously helps Hillary because it is so beyond the pale.

C'mon, people heckle candidates because they are anti-abortion, anti-war, 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Has anyone heard of someone heckling a female candidate to "Iron my Shirt?"

This does not pass the smell test. I was somewhat inclined to give Hillary a little benefit of the doubt and empathy on the crying thing, but the fact that she then went off to attack Obama in the same breath and now this so-called heckling combined with Bill Clinton's comments strongly suggests to me that today's events are a last-ditch effort to play up the gender card as much as possible to stem the bleeding.

I find it rather pathetic and highly manipulative. This is smells like that kid who pretended she had cancer to meet Hannah Montana.

Shorter RKA:

Nobody should have any sympathy at all for the Clinton bitch. She's the enemy, for God's sake!

Hillary Clinton's new campaign theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MH2BFcKI8

Karen:

I watched the Dem debate on a C-Span re-air, because I was kind of interested in Cox's "the beginning of the end moment" comment. I was really curious to see what had shocked her so badly; I thought that there had been a Geraldo Show KKK chair-throwing moment, or something. I imagined that Hillary truly f---ed up and said something that could have been construed as a racist comment, or a similar gaffe of epic, career ending proportions.

Instead, I saw a normal debate in which Hillary basically said something I agree with, i.e. that Obama's schtick (spelling?) is all talk, and said it pretty convincingly. I believe that she believes that criticism, and for me it was an "authenticity" moment, not a "Hitler in a pantsuit" moment. It actually felt kind of good seeing these candidates (apart from Richardson who has trouble communicating) go at each others' rhetoric with such intelligence and restraint, and normally I would be shouting at the television for them to detail what their policy differences are.

I really don't know what you folks saw--were we watching the same debate?

I have no love for Hillary Clinton; I am fully aware that the Clintonites got some of worst policies through congress--DOMA, DMCA, NAFTA, Fast Track Authority, etc. I know that she's been a decent Senator for my state, but I'm truly terrified of what she'd do if FISA "reform" crossed her desk, and if Ned Lamont ran against her in a New York primary, I'd vote for him.

That said, I thought that she performed rather well, and said some things that need saying while all of this idiotic hero-worship is going on.

Thank you for posting this. None of the other posters here (besides Cox, maybe) would ever concede that they weren't faithfully describing objective reality in their written observations. See? Your credibility is enhanced, not diminished!

Thanks, Karen.

I thought you folks learned at least a bit of a lesson on that when you all roared your disdain for Bill's first SOTU, and then found out a couple days later that the public absolutely loved it.

Look, your problem is simple, seems to me. You all keep thinking you're "channeling" the average voter, but you really, truly haven't a blessed clue. You live and work in a tiny hothouse. Like the firebox of my woodstove, it reinforces and intensifies the heat you all generate with each other.

I kept seeing headlines about an "enraged" Hillary, a Hillary "meltdown," on and on and on, and when I finally watched the clip, I couldn't believe it. She was passionate and forceful in defending herself. I thought it was pretty good, actually. Why, oh, why, does that send you people rushing to the fainting couch? It's just nuts.

You always describe people you don't like as "attacking" when they make any criticism at all of their opponents. Yet Obama can sneer quite unpleasantly about Hillary, and you avert your eyes and pretend it didn't happen.

I'm an Edwards supporter rapidly losing heart, but geez, the treatment you give to Hillary just makes my blood boil. There are good reasons for Democrats not to vote for her, but they never make an appearance in all your superficial and crappy reporting and so-called "analysis."

Karen, read the NYT article where the reporters bring up their own perception of it being close to Muskie-like moment when buried much further down the article is the reaction of the actual voter who asked the question who said she was switching support over to Clinton based on the authenticity of the answer.

From the brilliant piece by Greenwald today (in which he links to Cox's on-bus McCain Iraq policy interrogation vlog here--as an example of a good, substansive interview!):

At The New Republic's blog, Jason Zengerle confesses what is and has long been too obvious to require much proof -- the media is uncontrollably in love with John McCain. And Zengerle's reason why this is so is equally unsurprising: McCain gives them unfettered access, so they love him. Everything is about them, and whichever politician flatters and charms these adolescent, coddled narcissists is the recipient of their uncritical love (that explains much, though not all, of their profound failure in covering the Bush campaigns and administration). Zengerle also says:

Speaking of McCain and the media, I was at a dinner tonight with various political reporters who are up here to cover the happenings, and it was pretty funny how giddy/relieved they were at the prospect of a McCain-Obama general election campaign, as opposed to, say, a Romney-Clinton one. Suddenly, the next 11 months of their lives look a whole lot more enjoyable.

Those preferences -- all based in their own petty personal desires -- couldn't be more obvious in the media narrative spewing forth. Dancing around like munchkins in Oz, they proclaim that the wicked Clinton witch is dead and McCain is surging with a miraculous, glorious comeback.

Leave aside whether any of that is true. Why are predictions and speculation even part of the job of a political reporter at all? One can see why opinionists and pundits might dabble in that sort of predictive analysis, but why do "reporters" covering these campaigns consider it their province to guess about which candidates are going to win and lose, as opposed to, say, reporting on what they argue, what their claims are, the truth of their positions, etc. etc.?

Aside from the fact that these endless prediction games completely overwhelm any substantive discussions, their guesses -- which are really wishes -- are almost always dreadfully wrong and plainly designed to advance their concealed agenda for which candidates they like and dislike. Why is any of that something that reporters ought to be doing at all? Is there any distinction between what a "reporter" does and what a "pundit" does covering this campaign? There doesn't seem to be any.

...listen to media reports, Edwards doesn't even exist. His campaign is dead. He has no chance. They hate Edwards, hate his message, and thus rendered him invisible long ago, only now to declare him dead -- after he came in second place in the first caucus of the campaign.

There are certainly horse-race counterarguments to all of this. This is only one poll. Obama is ahead in New Hampshire, where his support has increased, etc. etc.

But I'm not focusing on the accuracy of horse-race predictions here, but instead, on the fact that the traveling press corps endlessly imposes its own narrative on the election, thereby completely excluding from all coverage plainly credible candidates they dislike (such as Edwards) while breathlessly touting the prospects of the candidates of whom they are enamored. Their predictions (i.e., preferences and love affairs) so plainly drive their press coverage -- the candidates they love are lauded as likely winners while the ones they hate are ignored or depicted as collapsing -- which in turn influences the election in the direction they want, making their predictions become self-fulfilling prophecies.

It's just all a completely inappropriate role for political reporters to play, yet it composes virtually the entirety of their election coverage. Go read Time or The New Republic or The Politico or The Washington Post and see if you can find any examples of straight factual reporting about the remaining candidates, their positions, anything substantive -- rather than endless, group-think gossip about tactics and winning/losing predictions. It basically doesn't exist (here's an interview Ana Marie Cox conducted with John McCain yesterday where she tried to press him on his comment that we should remain in Iraq for 100 years -- notable because it's so rare to find any questions of this type).

I realize none of this is a revelation. But it's still astonishing how extreme it is. The point isn't just that this empty chatter squeezes out anything more meaningful -- it does -- but that it completely drives voter perceptions and controls the ability of candidates to be heard.

KT here--
I am coming in late here, having been running around all day. But I have decided it is time to respond to Martin Gale's comment, which is one of the many I have read here regarding the episode of my handing my business card to Tipper Gore, which was recounted in Vanity Fair magazine. Tipper was the one who told it to Vanity Fair; it wasn't me. Here's the deal as I remember it.:

We ran into each other in the revoling door at a NARAL dinner in 2003. It was the first I had seen her since I was reporting a 2002 story about Al's decision whether to run. (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,390894,00.html) I knew that this decision had been a pretty intense time for her. She embraced me and said something very flattering that I will not repeat here. But she also made it clear that she was moving on into a new life. i handed her my card in the let's-keep-in-touch mode, not the i-am-remorseful mode. Somehow, however, this has come to be viewed in an entirely different context.

Well, Karen, at least Cox finally got honest about how she is a fan of McCain and hoping that he will win. "Hopefully, it will be a victory speech."

Now, how about you and Jay admit that you personally dislike both Hillary Clinton and John Edwards. It's okay. It isn't like it isn't obvious. At least, like Cox, we can know where you are coming from. The honesty can be liberating.

Karen: Thanks for setting the record straight.

The role that the Establishment Media played in the 2000 cycle is almost always worth revisiting, especially now when we're in the midst of sinking into another cesspool of irresponsible political coverage.

Commenters:
Let's set the record straight ourselves, shall we?
This now legendary Vanity Fair piece lays out the incident to which Martin Gale has alluded, and Karen has responded here:

Over the years since 2000, some journalists have attempted to reach out to the Gores. At a pro-choice event a few years ago, Time's Karen Tumulty gave Tipper her card and asked her if she would ever want to talk. "When I saw her that night, she looked as though a gigantic weight had been lifted," recalls Tumulty, who'd recently seen the couple agonizing over Gore's political future. At the East Coast premiere of An Inconvenient Truth, the Gores bumped into Fineman, who recalls, "I said to [Gore], on a personal level, I want you to know that I admire you for the way you have stayed in the game and taken the mess of a few years ago and turned it around and become such a leader in this debate." At the time, Tipper just said thanks and moved on, thinking to herself, Too little, too late, buddy. In retrospect, she appreciates the gesture.

As you can see, Gore's wife was not referring to Karen with "too little, too late", she was justifiably thinking about that screechy tool Howard Fineman with revulsion.

And here's exactly why Karen would have no real reason to apologize to Tipper Gore with a business card.

Gore needed to give them hamburger, as Carville put it—a simple, dramatic character; a simple, dramatic story line; a 10-word slogan. If Gore couldn't provide it, the press would. As the campaign wore on, the media found a groove they could settle into: wonk so desperate to become president he'll do or say anything, even make stuff up. It complemented perfectly the other son of a politician running for president: irresistible frat boy who, when it came to the presidency, could take it or leave it.

The seeds of Gore's caricature had been planted in 1997 when he, the presumptive candidate for 2000, made a passing comment about Erich Segal's Love Story, over the course of a two-hour interview with Time's Karen Tumulty and The New York Times's Richard Berke, for profiles they were writing. Tumulty recounts today that, while casually reminiscing about his days at Harvard and his roommate, the future actor Tommy Lee Jones, Gore said, It's funny—he and Tipper had been models for the couple in his friend Erich Segal's Love Story, which was Jones's first film. Tumulty followed up, "Love Story was based on you and Tipper?" Gore responded, "Well, that's what Erich Segal told reporters down in Tennessee."

As it turned out, The Nashville Tennessean, the paper Gore was referring to, had said Gore was the model for the character of Oliver Barrett. But the paper made a small mistake. There was some Tommy Lee Jones thrown in, too. "The Tennessean reporter just exaggerated," Segal has said. And Tipper was not the model for Jenny.

In her story, Tumulty and co-author Eric Pooley treated the anecdote as an offhand comment. But political opinion writers at The New York Times, it seems, interpreted the remark as a calculated political move on Gore's part. "It's somewhat suspicious that Mr. Gore has chosen this moment to drop the news—unknown even to many close friends and aides," wrote Times columnist Maureen Dowd. "Does he think, going into 2000, that this will give him a romantic glow, or a romantic afterglow?" Times columnist Frank Rich followed it up. "What's bizarre," he wrote, "if all too revealing … is not that he inflated his past but that he would think that being likened to the insufferable preppy Harvard hockey player Oliver Barrett 4th was something to brag about in the first place."

Tumulty says she was stunned at seeing Gore's remark being turned into a "window onto his soul" in the pages of The New York Times and elsewhere: "I'm in the middle of this gigantic media frenzy. It had truly, truly been an offhanded comment by Gore. And it suddenly turns into this big thing that probably continues to dog him for the rest of the campaign."

The Love Story distortion set the stage for the "I Invented the Internet" distortion, a devastating piece of propaganda that damaged Gore at the starting gate of his run...

Karen Tumulty is not in any way the cause of the treatment that Al Gore received at the hands of the likes of Dowd and Rich (much less the Rightwing Noise Machine). Discrediting her for her "silence" is truly going the extra mile to convict, isn't it?
Look, I'm the biggest Somerby fan in the world, but even he (to my knowledge) doesn't prosecute Karen for the volume of grotesque distortions of her original piece by people who obviously don't even have a hundredth of the integrity that Karen displays here on a weekly basis.

Karen doesn't get a free pass from Somerby, Olbermann, me--anybody with any respect for themselves, but that's no reason to be disingenuous about what she did or didn't do in a political campaign. Tomorrow she may qualify for a lashing, but today the record needs to be made clear.
We're about the truth, folks, not insinuations nor implications, and that's why we come here--to help these columnists understand what we're about and how they can help us.

Posted by Karen Tumulty | January 7, 2008 11:59 PM:

"Somehow, however, this has come to be viewed in an entirely different context."

...and BTW, Karen:

Please just take a moment to think about the mechanisms that have allowed this distortion of the truth to have occurred, and then please also pause to reflect on what we've been saying that we hate most about Conventional Beltway Political Journalism...thank you?

I am not happy that, as usual, by the time my State's (Washington's) caucuses roll around, the candidate will have already been pretty much decided by media manipulation of the voters in the earliest couple of contests.

I think there needs to be a concentrated voter effort to stop the MSM from interfering with the voting process for both parties. It would be relatively easy:

When pollsters call - LIE TO THEM! Pick the candidate or two who you are least likely to vote for, and give them your polling support. Keep the media off balance so they don't have the opportunity to decide primaries before voters even get a chance to go to the polls.

We also need to do everything we can to keep viable candidate options in play. We really needed Chris Dodd to stay in the race longer - he had long, pertinent experience, an established record and important things to say, but the opportunity to learn more about him is gone. So, I suggest we "Sanjaya-ize." Democrats, vote for Edwards, Richardson, or Clinton this time around. Yes, Clinton, too. Make a concerted effort to shake up the standings. don't hand another victory to Obama at this early stage. I don't have anything against Senator Obama - I may vote for him. But I don't want to be FORCED to vote for him just because there are no other choices.

Republicans...can't say for you, but it would be nice not to limit yourselves to Huckabee/Romney/McCain as your only options after just two small votes. Vote Paul???

The only way we're going to have candidates in the race long enough for the majority of voters to pay attention to anything but the usual avalanche of media horserace/surface fluff is to thwart those media at every opportunity in these early races so everyone else has equal opportunity.

I believe we're better served by ensuring the process is open to everyone, not determined by media momentum after just one or two, small, non-representative initial races. The rational solution would be to have a national primary day, but that's not going to happen. Guerrilla polling and voting tactics are the only option open to take back the process.

Posted by centristdem | January 8, 2008 5:46 AM:

"The only way we're going to have candidates in the race long enough for the majority of voters to pay attention to anything but the usual avalanche of media horserace/surface fluff is to thwart those media at every opportunity in these early races so everyone else has equal opportunity."

You're right; we're really getting screwed out of a full field. As a former Dodd supporter, I'm especially angry about this process's failings, but I'm not partisan enough to have ignored them if Dodd had won Iowa.

Speaking of (primary) partisanship, IMO the only way that we can change this is if we can get all of the partisans for each candidate to work for our interest in a full field, as well as thwarting the media vultures. We somehow have to make a "crossing the picket line" value out of each state having its say, like we managed to do this cycle to Fox News (apart from Kucinich). I'm sure that the NetRoots can come up with a plan to do this, but that's the challenge we face: a media that doesn't act in the interest of our democracy and well-meaning partisans exploiting that set of circumstances.

Great post (and I am really anti-Centrist)!

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