SwampCast: Poll Talk Is Undecided About Independents

Surely, we need to get Pete Hoekstra's take on all this. Aftera all, we wouldn't want to misinterpret anything.

It's all so *complicated*! I have neither the time nor the legal background to figure it out.

Psst! Tell Jay that he better quickly do a post making fun of lefty-conspiracy-types for making a big deal out of destruction of the CIA interrogation tapes.

This kind of news is the kind of thing he'd love to put the kibosh on!

Then Joe can write one arguing that the government's eventual acknowledgement of the destruction is evidence of the Administration's "candor."

It must suck to be you these days, Ana, but lie down with DOGS. . . .

Last one in this thread:

P.S. Hey, don't feel you need to do the town halls on OUR account. We couldn't care less.

Your beat is what Time thinks the public cares about. As incisive a view as most of the stuff published here, I guess . . .

If Ana did a town hall, the first question I would ask her is if she, as the Washington editor of Time.com, signed off on the original decision not to allow any of the members of Congress who contacted them to refute Joe Klein on this website.

Sadly, I think Ana is one of those types of Washington Editors who don't want their actions questioned.

Some people say Joe Klein is a thin-skinned and petty guy who can't admit to being totally and utterly wrong, some say he is just in the tank and like the comfort that this affords. I have neither the time nor the legal background to tell who is right.

I came across a "FACT" several months ago that some Repubs are changing their registration and giving money to the Obama campaign in an effort to stop Hillary from winning the Dem nomination. The reasons given were--The Repubs "Fear" Hillary the most in the 08 General.-- The Repubs know they cannot beat Hillary in the 08 General.--The Repubs think Obama is the weakest of the top tier Dems in 08. How this will play in Iowa, frankly, is anybodies guess, but should Hillary win the Iowa caucus in Iowa, most folks I've talked with think it is all but over. Early February we will pretty well know who the Dem nominee will be, IMHO.

"I came across a "FACT" several months ago that some Repubs are changing their registration and giving money to the Obama campaign in an effort to stop Hillary from winning the Dem nomination"

I talked to Hoekstra, and it turns out this is not true, rest easy.

Please stop pooping all over non Joe Klein threads cause you're angry at Joe Klein!

There is no crime here, so sherifffruitfly's analogy doesn't hold.

Has it occured to any of you that in your orgy of Rightous Hate you're ruining the blog for people?

..Or is that what you want?

Has it occured to any of you that in your orgy of Rightous Hate you're ruining the blog for people?

has it occurred to you that by treating Klein's lies as a non-event, that Ana Marie is reducing her already meager credibility?

(and seriously, Swampcasts in general are a joke, and these little interviews with Blumenthal are about as insightful as an episode of Scooby-Do.)

Posted by Ozzie Author Profile Page | December 7, 2007 9:49 AM:

"Has it occured to any of you that in your orgy of Rightous Hate you're ruining the blog for people?"

I take your point. I also think that AMC and the others can read the Klein thread comments, and that posting in non-Klein threads is somewhat superfluous.

That said, AMC is the Editor of Time.com (in name, at least), and it doesn't seem inappropriate to complain when we're being slapped in the face over and over again.

I'm one of the people who didn't just piss and moan about Joe's column just because his writing was so arrogantly poor, and his conclusions so bizarre, but who actually looked up the bill in question, fact-checked Joe's work, and then posted the naked reality of his inaccuracy paragraph by paragraph, section by section. Three days or so before Greenwald included the bill's language in his blog entry, I was pointing and linking and yelling "Look! Look! What he said is contradicted by the text of the bill! How can Time effectively allow libel to be printed?!"

What I, and the others here received for our (Time, Inc. invited) participation, and care, and honest efforts (and being demonstrably right on the facts) was alternately silence from AMC and the other Swampland regulars, and open contempt from Joe and his editors and management. I'm not blaming the regulars for being in a situation not of their own choosing, but neither should they blame their readers for being understandably upset and disgusted with "evidence exhibit #100" about what's wrong with the corrupt "liberal media" in general and Time in particular. The "correction" that was issued really did it for me. The implication that I'm doing what I'm doing because I'm obviously a rank partisan or a member of O'Reilly's Christmas-hating "far left" angered me, as it would any normal person.

What if Tylenol/McNeil came out with a version of Tylenol PM that turned you hair green overnight? What if you wrote to complain, including sworn testimonials, the bottle in question, photographs--incontrovertible evidence that your hair, in fact did turn green? And then, what if Tylenol's marketers came out with an ad the next day saying "Acknowledgment: While some customers have made certain complaints owing to the fact they are either hard-core Democrats or leftists (or both), the majority of Tylenol PM customers are extremely happy with the product..."?

While I realize that these people are uncomfortable with themselves being the scoop, they have to get used to it. In politics today, the political news media itself is the real story!

Again: we're not angry because Joe isn't Democratic enough, or because Time isn't liberal enough. We're angry because we're being treated like left-wing versions of church-lady letter-writers from the Family Research Council, instead of justifiably disappointed consumers of a bad batch of product.

At least AMC doesn't then try to pander to what she thinks are our obvious biases, like Joe Klein.
In fact, with the exception of Joe, this is really turning out to be a decent blog.

You're absolutely right that the outrage expressed here is not limited to the topics at hand. At its worst, the comments are unhelpful and off topic (and we still have an abundant supply of trolls to stir the hornets' nest).

But to suggest that we are the ones who are ruining things around here is simply obtuse, IMHO.

Most people are just expressing quite normal objections to being openly lied to, and then treated like f-ing ants on top of it.

Noted, sadly: The lower the DNC dregs dive in the national polls, the higher your T-shirt chest line.

Speaking of small wonders...

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1393

CNN question qualifiers rule!