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"Furthermore, any of the Democrats will run in favor of such centrist talismans as fiscal responsibility, multilateralism abroad, a serious alternative energy plan"

LOL! One of the good things about being a member of the centrist cult is you can claim any liberal idea as your own, since you have no ideas yourself. It now looks like the Green Energy movement and universal health are centrist policy, rather than ideas grown by all those crazy, angry, partisan liberals on the Left.

However, I do agree with Klein, there is no reason for the centrist cult to form their own party as they already control the weak and pathetic Democratic Party, and they have sock puppets like Klein spreading their propaganda in the MSM. Personally, I think it would be more honest of them to start a new party because then they would be forced to come up with their own ideas, rather than stealing them from liberals and conservatives.

wow. What an awesome pair of sentences:

To have a successful third party, you need a great gripe--like Ross Perot's fiscal responsibility argument in 1992. There is none such this year, except for the prospect of continued hyperpartisanship--and any of the Democrats who can be elected (except Edwards) are going to be running against the ugliness of the past eight years.

First, we've got the bad, completely false premise--that there is no great gripe. Earth to Joe--the US is occupying Iraq with 130,000 troops and plans a permanent occupation.

Then we've got the multiplier effect--that great Iraq gripe has created a situation of fiscal irresponsibility that is even worse than it was in 1992.

Then the ridiculous hyperpartisanship claim. The only hyperpartisans are running with an R next to their names, and they're looking to get clobbered up and down the ticket.

Then there's the contentless and incomprehensible but necessary swipe at Edwards. The way I parse it is that Edwards won't be running against the last eight years--when all he has been doing is running against the last eight years, and its consolidation of corporate interests as the primary government client.

Bad news Joe. Those AWWMNUUBM is you.

But you got one thing right--they want to govern, but don't want to face those icky voters. It's kinda like giving policy advice to presidential candidates from your beltway media office.

"Every four years, we get a group of high-minded Mugwumps who are just shocked and appalled by the messiness of the democratic process and yearn for something more pristine"

Your arrogance is the best example of why we need to get away from the two party monopoly that has sold out the American Dream to the money classes. The two party solution has past its usefulness. All our policies have been to benefit a small but powerful elite minority - with crumbs tossed the way of the Middle Class to keep them pacified (and when this is not working, trot out Bin Laden the boogie man)

And I disagree with one more point - a third party can come into being IF it is built and nutured so it can be bigger than one person (like Perot of Bloomberg)

Joe, you overestimate the degree to which Hillary would be able to uinify the democratic party. Especially if she wins on the basis of the Shaheen/Penn/Kerrey Nixonian tactics that might have somewhat halted Obama's momentum a couple weeks ago. If Hillary is the dem nominee a fair amount of buyers remorse will settle in as the general plays on, andthere will be a huge opening for Bloomberg, especially given the fact that the republicans are in a divided state as well and quite out of touch with the country. It won't matter that HIllary will take centrist positions when many centrist just plain don't like her and won't really listen to what she has to say. I think you have to take Bloomberg seriously and not count him out.

Yes but tell us how you REALLY feel about Edwards.....

For the record, I don't necessarily share Edwards populist views either, but I nevertheless find the fear he seems to be instilling quite entertaining.

Joe - The reasons that you have just given for why a third party of moderate technocrats is a bad idea this cycle are exactly the same reasons that Progressives keep beating up on you for your 'centrism'.

You are shocked and appalled at the sight of partisan politics and therefore forget that in order to accomplish anything against a blindly unified GOP the Dems must not be the only ones compromising. And now that the Dems have achieved a form of integration between Progressivism and moderation they get no credit because the whole thing can be so easily painted as political calculation.

See, it appears to me that you are a Hillary Clinton supporter - but do not bother denying it because I know that you are not allowed to choose a candidate. The only reason that HRC could lose the nomination or the general election is because she followed the 'virtues of centrism' and took actions that appeared based more on political calculation than principled belief. And that, in a nutshell, is the definition of centrism - charting a path because it is, well, in the center. And that is fine for a technocrat but when you have the majority of the media environment eager to portray you as a godless, sociopathic, calculating harpy then it simply will not win you any elections.

Aside from my rant against your centrist behavior, I agree that a third party is a stupid idea. The Democratic Party is the moderate party and is far more inclusive than the GOP's lie about a big tent. If there is anybody that is unable to grasp how moderate the modern Democratic Party is then they have been brainwashed to hate Democrats and will never be convinced.

So what do you say, Joe, any chance that you will return to the comments section?

ah, terrapinion.

Thanks. The reason Joe is so worried about Teh Edwards is not just because he's part of the marginalization crew. he's also part of the DLC for Clinton crew. They decidedly do not want hippie themes like "we won't invite the insurance companies to the table anymore than Cheney invited the Sierra Club to the table. The insurance companies are not our friends. They are not interested in improving America's health care system. They don't belong at the table."

In point of fact, it's hard to see what an industry is doing at a table where the goal is the elimination of 90 percent or so of the industry's business. They play absolutely no positive role in the efficiient delivery of health care services to Americans. The whole point of the meeting at the table should be their elimination, or nationalization.

It's unreasonable to think they would play a productive role in such a policy discussion. Joe points out that nothing will pass without their cooperation. Perhaps.

It would still be a very good thing for say, Maxine Waters, to introduce a bill for a federal single payer plan financed by the income tax. It would be a very good thing for our elected officials to vote up or down on such a bill, with a president in the bully pulpit standing up to the insurance companies that make our lives miserable so frequently. (Not always. But lately, whether it's a higher copay or an increase in the payroll deduction or the lab claim that was denied or the doc writing a script for 120 pills that has to be filled in four stages, one copay per stage, it just seems like every time you deal with them, they tighten the thumbscrews.

I KNEW that Swampland wouldn't be able to resist weighing in on Bloomberg's silliness.

You'll note that the Very Serious People Bloomy is gathering around him don't actually weigh in on any real issues or take any real positions. It's just High Broderism plateaus about bipartisanship and the center. These people really need to STFU.

jncc1701 - What makes you think that a third party will not succumb to the same forces that led the other parties into the poisonous bosom of corporate interests? Especially a Bloomberg ticket of all people!?!

The believe nothing, centrist cult, can only repeat their empty mantras over and over, so as to disguise the nihilism at their core. They have no choice, being devoid of any original thought. John Edwards, and the Left are responsible for the partisanship that has caused the Republicans to obstruct the government and hold the nation for ransom. I can't think of a single demand the soft Democrats have not capitulated to but still, surely it is the Democratic base that is the cause of all the ill feeling.

jayackeroyd - You wrote: "In point of fact, it's hard to see what an industry is doing at a table where the goal is the elimination of 90 percent or so of the industry's business. They play absolutely no positive role in the efficiient delivery of health care services to Americans. The whole point of the meeting at the table should be their elimination, or nationalization."

Good point. But there is a lot to e said for having them inside the tent where they can perhaps be managed a little. When HRC attempted to exclude physicians and insurance companies for her plan (15 years ago! How old am I!?!) the result was a loud and organized resistance that had nothing better to do than to destroy the process. These things get very dicey, very quickly when so much money is at stake.

It's unreasonable to think they would play a productive role in such a policy discussion. Joe points out that nothing will pass without their cooperation. Perhaps.

The fun part is that Edwards, Hillary, and Obama already have health care plans in which the roles of the corporations involved are already defined. And there is no need for a "table" at all (well, except for Obama's plan, which is unworkable -- and will need work.) But the bottom line is that there won't be much significant difference between the plans that wind up finally being proposed by a Democratic president. (Every plan is likely to continue to rely on employer provided health care through insurance companies, compel employers who don't provide health care to contribute in some fashion, and have a "government run" alternative to insurance company programs.)

The real key here is if a plan meets strong opposition, how the President will play it. Hillary and Obama will either compromise it to death, or bury it. Edwards, on the other hand, is likely to fight for a good plan --- and hold those in congress who oppose him politically responsible by characterizing them as tools of corporate interests and fat cats.

And ultimately, this is why Edwards is so despised by the corporate media --- its not that he'll be "partisan", but that he'll go after those who want a government that is beholden to huge corporate interests --- and each and every conservative and so-called "moderate" in the mainstream media recognizes that as a threat to the status quo to which they owe their existence.

Derek - You wrote: "The believe nothing, centrist cult, can only repeat their empty mantras over and over, so as to disguise the nihilism at their core. They have no choice, being devoid of any original thought."

This is accurate but I think that it applies more to the pundits than to the politicians. A centrist politician is really nothing more than a technocrat - a person who knows how the bureaucracy works and knows how to get things through it. Every office has one of these. Jonathon Pryce's character in the movie 'Brazil' was a technocrat. They are necessary to the competent function of any department (as became obvious when Bush appointed incompetents to positions that required technocrats) but uninspiring. Joe Klein is a technocrat.

The problem with a media that goads politicians into being technocrats is that it creates an imbalance (in the Force) in the partisan make up of the government. Essentially, the centrists pundits insist that the Democrats tie both hands behind their backs and then demand that they achieve a compromise against the many-armed Vishnu of GOP hyperpartisanship. Strangely, the same pundits almost never complain when the GOP obstructs needed legislation - they simply demand that the Dems give in a little more. On this point I await an explanation from Joe Klein. I suspect that deep down these pundits accept the fact that the GOP is impenetrable to reason and logic so they bicker at the only party that ever listens to them. And if the Dems do not listen then these centrist pundits spew hateful, GOP-worthy rhetoric at them which results in the entirety of print, radio, and television media broadcasting the perception that the Dems are a hapless, incompetent organization.

Wow. I guess I had several rants stored up from the holidays.

They may not even be trying to win. They could be just trying to influence the debate. If populists are running, better have a candidate ready to accuse them of being dirty hippies. God help us if we actually elect someone with a mandate and a platform to get the things done that need to be done.

When HRC attempted to exclude physicians and insurance companies for her plan (15 years ago! How old am I!?!) the result was a loud and organized resistance that had nothing better to do than to destroy the process.

the environment is very different today. First and foremost, you'd want the doctors in the tent. They hate the system as much as the "customers" do. Admin costs are through the roof. Payments are slow, and approved procedures are not always actually paid for following approvals. Business interests are unhappy as well.

And the trend of holding the line on costs that looked possible in the late 80s is over.

IAC, it is not in the least bit "unreasonable" to both campaign on, and govern as if, the insurance and pharmaceutical companies put their bottom lines ahead of what is best for patients.

Good post. I don't agree with your claim that fiscal responsibility is "centrist" but you nail these morons for what they are: self-important blowhards who hate democracy.

jayackroyd @ 10:49 you write:

Bad news Joe. Those AWWMNUUBM is you.
Krugman and Bowers use the same letters you use. (See Krugman here.) But if that stands for Aging Wealthy White Men for National Unity Under Billionaire Media Moguls - aren't all of you missing an "M" at the end?

Urge to spite vote for Edwards rising...

/Obama suporter

Speaking of which, you guys seen this?
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1207/The_Muslim_smear_version_20.html

As Greenwald notes, Bloomberg is pretty much in lock step with Bush on most issues. That's independence, as defined by the Beltway Elite for you.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/12/31/bloomberg/index.html

jayackeroyd - You wrote: "IAC, it is not in the least bit "unreasonable" to both campaign on, and govern as if, the insurance and pharmaceutical companies put their bottom lines ahead of what is best for patients."

I agree completely. The only problem is that the 'centrist' pundits label that kind of talk as some form of corrosive populism which misses the point completely. If the citizens of a nation are not allowed to acknowledge that corporations are motivated for profit alone then surely we are all living in some form of Potemkin dreamland. These pundits fear that we are all wishing for some kind of communist utopia or extreme socialism when all we are asking for is a remedy to the harsh laws of the capitalist profit motive.

If there was one question that I could ask HRC (or Joe Klein) it would be to have them define the term 'Corporatism' and then explain what they believe are the effects that corporatism is having on the political process and the lives of the citizens and wealth of nations. An appropriate answer would require that the question not be asked during a televised debate where a full and thoughtful response would be ridiculed like Clinton's immigrant drivers license answer.

For the record, I am not against corporations - they sure do know how to move widgets from place to place with great efficiency. I simply do not fetishize corporations and markets to the degree that conservatives do. The problem with corporations is that they do not fully account for the full costs of their behavior on their balance sheets. If Exxon/Mobil were to account for the billions spent on the military operations that secure their access to light sweet crude then the CEO himself would come to the conclusion that it makes better economic sense to direct their resources to the development of renewables. If Exxon/Mobil (or any polluting industry) were forced to place the true cost of their pollution (clean-up, remediation, health care...) on their balance sheet then you would see the entire management of that company convert instantly to the greenest bunch of hippies that haunt Joe Klein's fetid nightmares.

Corporations are a necessary component of our society - they just need to be reformed into non-sociopathic citizens of this nation.

Joe:
What would Woody Guthrie say? Sounds like you(along with Bill and Hillary) have sold your soul so you could attend Sally Quinn's cocktail parties.

Terrapinion:
You are correct. No one is saying to do away with corporations. They just should regulated and held accountable like everyone else. Unfettered capitalism leads to disaster as we've seen. In fact your last sentence sums everything up. It is Edwards main tenet, I believe(if not, it should be).

"I suspect that deep down these pundits accept the fact that the GOP is impenetrable to reason and logic so they bicker at the only party that ever listens to them. And if the Dems do not listen then these centrist pundits spew hateful, GOP-worthy rhetoric at them which results in the entirety of print, radio, and television media broadcasting the perception that the Dems are a hapless, incompetent organization."

Don't give Klein any more ideas as to why he should focus, almost exclusively, on the Left, when he decides to slander people. By the way the Democrats are a hapless, incompetent organization, but mostly, they are cowards.

You say Edwards isn't bipartisan enough, then note that his Social Security plan sounds rather centrist and bipartisan? I love this sort of Hoekstraian reasoning.
The hatred of Edwards by the Washington elite is the number one reason I am going to vote for him. He must be on to something.

Joe Klein's guilty conscience - I have always wondered what goes on at these cocktail parties. Is it something like the fianl party in 'Eyes Wide Shut' where once you gain admittance it is non-stop fu(#!ng? That is the only thing that could possibly motivate me to behave in such an despicable manner. Everybody loves the monkeybutter.

"In any case, as miffed as moderate Democrats are with the partisans on their left"

Yup, there is overwhelming anger amongst moderates at the hippies. Nailed it. Joke is projecting his own views onto the unicorns and dancing mushrooms in his and Broder's head again.

Every four years, we get a group of high-minded Mugwumps who are just shocked and appalled by the messiness of the democratic process

If the laws of justice and physics still apply in our current bizzaro universe, then the massive hypocrisy of that sentence will reduce Joe Klein to a dimensionless point, turning him into a black hole of irony from which his glib idiotic sneers can no longer escape.

I simply do not fetishize corporations and markets to the degree that conservatives do.

Neither republicans nor the shareholders of joint stock corporations believe in markets. They believe in establishing monopolies and oligopolies, and using the government to maintain those anti-competitive organizations. The reason we need anti-trust regulation is that the natural result of an unregulated market is a small number of firms collaborating to keep prices and margins high.

We've seen the most extreme forms of this commitment to existing corporations and not to market competition in these period of all republican rule. Barriers of entry and government subsidies are increased. Concentration of assets is increased. Competition is reduced, while margins rise. And we get policies like mercenaries replacing soldiers and the introduction of superfluous corporate participation in administering Medicare--at higher costs AND direct subsidy to the participating private insurers. This is not about "markets." There is no "market" for Medicare services or state department security guards.

Joe is pulling a slick one here regarding Perot's campaign. Perot's '92 campaign was about balancing the budget, true, but it was also the most populist real national campaign anyone has run in this country since the 19th century, and the most successful. Core to Perot's populism was his opposition to free trade ("That giant sucking sound you hear is American jobs going to Mexico"), and advocacy of American isolationism. In fact, if I remember correctly, Perot's campaign re-ignited once he began putting his opposition to free trade front and center. Anyway, you can see, then, why someone like Klein, who turns purple with rage at everything populist, would want to ignore those features of Perot's campaign, and pretend that it was a one issue affair.

Now, a form of isolationism -- abjuring imperialism, essentially -- and protectionism are key subjects of debate in the current political world, but only once you get outside the Beltway, where only the most unserious of the unserious talk about these things. For Klein and his gang, on the other hand, it's settled law: free trade is good, and America can, and should, bomb whoever we want to. So Joe erases these things from the Perot picture, just as he'd like to erase Edwards, who is the only candidate with a shot at winning advocating anything close to these features of Perot's campaign.

By the way, am I the only person who reads this post as threat: should Edwards win the nomination, the Democrats will get what they deserve (a Bloomberg candidacy)?

Martin Gale - You wrote: "By the way, am I the only person who reads this post as threat: should Edwards win the nomination, the Democrats will get what they deserve (a Bloomberg candidacy)?"

Taking the overall reception given to Edwards by the Washington Establishment as a whole I am inclined to agree with you. Certainly a Kucinich or Gravel nomination would do the same. Essentially what would happen is that the centrists and moderates would revolt! (But in a moderate way, of course) The moderates would storm out of the Democratic Party (in a moderate fashion) and gather together all of the other fringe elements of moderation. Why, I can hear their rebellious cries for lukewarm, compromised policy legislation now!

You know, the whole thing reminds me of when Zapp Brannigan decided to attack the Neutral Planet for, well, no apparent reason. As the attack arrives the Neutrals respond as follows:

Neutral Official: "Your neutralness, it's a beige alert."
Neutral Leader: "If I don't survive, tell my wife: Hello."

http://www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/EpisodeSounds/2ACV02/26.mp3

Good stuff.

Essentially what would happen is that the centrists and moderates would revolt!

Posted by Terrapinion | December 31, 2007 7:31 PM

I'm a moderate. I generally believe in free trade, am anti-protectionist, get squeamish at the thought of abortion but don't want it made illegal, supported the first Gulf War and the Afghanistan attack, and generally get annoyed by the whole "no blood for oil" crowd. Joe and his group, though, don't speak for me, and don't speak for moderates in general. Look at opinion polls, for example, and compare them to what Joe and his crew support. What Joe and the Beltway gang represent is themselves, not "centrists" or "moderates." They take their own positions and call them "moderate" or "centrist," while dissenters, especially those DFH's of the left, are tarred as "extremists." If Joe and his gang bolt, they won't take "moderates" with them, although they could, and would, try to influence moderate opinion via their propagandizing, and supporting something like a Bloomberg candidacy.

Unless you are actively involved in the violent overthrow of a democratic government you are, by definition, not an extremist.

Klein and his ilk ought to be sued for defamation of character the way they falsely throw the extremist label around. They practice an extremism of a different type.

I have always wondered what goes on at these cocktail parties. Is it something like the fianl party in 'Eyes Wide Shut' where once you gain admittance it is non-stop fu(#!ng? That is the only thing that could possibly motivate me to behave in such an despicable manner. Everybody loves the monkeybutter.

I don't know. If Nicole Kidman isn't at the party, I don't want any part of it.

Any New Years resolutions, Joe? Check with Pete and get back to us.

I'll read the comment train later, because I'm sure someone else has said this, but:

Joe, I think you're wrong. All the points you make are valid, but I think you underestimate the dissatisfaction the average American voter has with the way Politics Today is currently run. It's exceptionally annoying to realize that we simply CAN'T pass legislation that the vast majority of Americans support because we have a two party system that serves to pull things to the left or right -- anything to save us from the dreadful center that would make most of those stupid, annoying, interfering, citizens happy.

"Every four years, we get a group of high-minded Mugwumps who are just shocked and appalled by the messiness of the democratic process and yearn for something more pristine."

The irony hurts me so badly.
Just in case you missed it...

"To have a successful third party, you need a great gripe--like Ross Perot's fiscal responsibility argument in 1992. There is none such this year, except for the prospect of continued hyperpartisanship"

Joe Klein still loves the War in Iraq, OK. It would be nice if he started being honest and stopped projecting that opinion on the populace, but hey, Joe Klein doesn't do honesty.

"centrist talismans as fiscal responsibility, multilateralism abroad, a serious alternative energy plan"

Fiscal responsibility is only centrist in the sense that it is Neutral until you actually mention which programs you will cut to achieve it.

Multilateralism abroad is liberal, and it has been for a long time. Unilateralism is conservative (as is isolationism, which is really just an introverted unilateralism). Centrist or Neutral would be continuing the status quo with no actual reasoning for doing so.

A serious alternative energy plan is liberal. Sabotaging any alternative energy plan is conservative. The centrist or Neutral approach would be to give lip service to the idea of an alternative energy while doing nothing to support anything but a watered-down version that at best maintains the status quo.

(Actually, that's the Neutral approach to everything. Dick Armey figuratively spit in Joe Klein's face when he attempted to propose the concept of bipartisan health care reform. Yet, the castrated Neutral still thinks there will be a grand bipartisan plan. Silly rabbit.)

Besides, we have Joe Klein's Two Party System in place:
1) A Republican Party
2) A Democratic Party that does nothing to interfere with the Republican Party
Neutral or not, why would he want to do anything to change that?

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يوتيوب - -
مقاطع يوتيوب - -
فديو يوتيوب - -
فيديو يوتيوب - -
افلام - -
موقع يوتيوب - -
youtube.com - -
يوتيوب عربي - -
منتديات - -
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مدونة - -
العاب بنات - -
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تحميل صور - -
تحميل ملفات - -
مركز التحميل - -
صور - -
العاب لعب العب - -
لعب - -
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لعب العب - -
hguf - -
العب - -
67 - - -p-2 - - افلام انمي - - صور انمي - -
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صور انمي 2008 - - صور بنات حلوات - -
شباب انمي - - صور انمي - -
صور احلى بنات - - بنات انمي رومنسي - -
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صور انمي احضان - - افلام كرتون - - افلام انمي - -
انمي خليجي - - مسلسلات كرتون - - افلام انمي - - صور انمي - - 68 - -
68-p-2 - - سياحة وسفر - -
سياحة - -سفر - -فنادق - -
46 - -46-p-3 - -46-p-6 - -
ناطحات سحاب - -أفضل 10 مدن - -
مدينة الحب الفرنسيه - -فندق الحب - -
صور - -24 - -34-p-3 - -
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34-p-15 - -34-p-20 - -
34-p-25 - -34-p-29 - -
34-p-30 - -34-p-35 - -34-p-38 - -
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صور قلوب - -صور قلوب حب - -
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صور حزينة - -صور متحركة - -
صور متحركه منوعة - -صور حب - -
صور خلفيات - -خلفيات رومانسية - -
صور انهار - -صور شلالات - -
صور مصرقعه - -جنس ثالث - -
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شموع - -صور حلوة - -
احلى عروس - -صور رعب - -24 - -24-p-3 - -
24-p-5 - -24-p-8 - -فوتوشوب - -
تصاميم - -صور تصاميم - - صور تصاميم رومانسية - -
صور قلوب - -صور تصميم - -صور تصميم رومنسية - -
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صور رجال - -صور احترافية - -59 - -
58 - -ملحقات التصميم - -دروس التصميم - -
جميلات العرب - -اليسا - -
صور طبيعية - -صور قلوب - -
صور رومنسية - -بلوتوث مزايين - - البوم صور مزايين - -
صور ماسنجر - -وسائط - -
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العاب بلياردو - - العب - - العاب - -
1 - -2 - -3 - -4 - -5 - -6 - -7 - -
13 - -14 - -8 - -15 - -10 - -21 - -30 - -
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11 - -12 - -63 - -64 - -
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العاب - - -
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مقاطع فيديو - - -
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