September 21, 2007 7:25
Guestblogging the AARP Debate
Last night's Dem AARP debate did not get the kind of publicity or coverage that most of the gatherings of top-tier candidates have gotten. It didn't even get all the top-tier candidates (not that I think Obama was greatly missed, Mike Gravel even less so). But some people paid attention to the health care-focused gathering of Edwards, Clinton, Dodd, Biden and Richardson. My father -- a member of both the AARP and the NRA, a former career-track Army officer and Shirley Chisholm voter, Burning Man attendee and currently a visiting professor of actuarial science at the University of Manitoba -- was one of them. Our correspondence below:
From: Sam CoxTo: Cox, Ana Marie
Subject: Dem debate
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:05 PM
I loved it. I like all of them, but I think Edwards is my favorite. Like most Americans, in 2008 I will vote for any Democrat versus any Republican. Including John McCain, the only R I would ever consider voting for.Watched it even tho TAMU was playing Miami, but then the game was not available on Winnipeg TV. The internet version just gives the score, really, and the Aggies are in trouble.
Love,Sam
From: Cox, Ana MarieTo: Sam Cox
Subject: Dem debate
What was so good? I *totally forgot* about it...
From: Sam CoxTo: Cox, Ana Marie
Subject: Dem debate
Hey, how could you forget? I was thinking you might live blog.Why I liked it? Lots of good constructive proposals [No wonder the MSM avoided it! -- Ed.] , things the country needs, and good attacks on Bush. So good to hear people cheer when the R s are questioned. Solid AARP support, although not all of us are Dems.
Edwards generally on domestic issues [here he is on health care, poverty, and working families]. He is the only one of those who is proud to be pro union, pro people. And he sounds so good. No wonder he made millions as trial lawyer.
Hilary stomped right down the middle of the road.
She is the most conservative of all of them, ironic that the right fears her the most.
Biden said one of the five on stage would be pres in 2009. I agree,
Sam
He also let me know that he left his rifles with my uncle Rick in Texas. Good to know.
UPDATE: He adds that he also liked Clinton and Edwards on health care reform, "Richardson's balanced budget proposal to amend constitution," and "each of them will get us out of Iraq. Some faster than others. I think the people want us out and the politicians are continually under estimating how strongly people feel about this." As far as I know, Sam does not keep a diary over at Kos. These missives from the frozen north serve the same purpose, maybe...
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Reader Comments (39)
The right hates her because that's what all that Scaife money was for. Money in, Clinton-hating dittoheads out.
Posted by JJ | September 21, 2007 8:12 AM
I cannot understand how anyone can think Edwards could be a good president. He is like a teenager always looking in the mirror to admire himself. He send his dying wife out to do his dirty work. He hasn't a clue. A real phoney.
I confess I was once taken in by his appearance and freshness. No longer!
Posted by norman ravitch | September 21, 2007 8:42 AM
Yeah, let's have a malpractice attorney who channeled dead babies be the guy to come up with comprehensive health care reform. That's really smart
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/09/why_drudge_is_a_disgrace_1.html#comments
Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2007 8:55 AM
Good of you to share this with us. You father must be innoculated to the stupid stuff given that he is in Canada. Does he have a view about health care in Canada? Does he have access? How much does it cost?
I regret to say I am put off by Edwards. Hardball had Bonior the other day, and Trippi yesterday doing the anti-Clinton thing - which is what gives Matthews his jollies. Even the sainted Elizabeth has gone down in my estimation. (Before anyone gets indignant I too am a cancer patient and lost my voicebox: so know a teeny bit about deprivation). The Edwards convey a sense of impatience that their message is not getting across; and I note a touch of panic. Still: he has time to rebuild if he can get his message out without bashing Clinton and Obama.
Posted by nfox | September 21, 2007 9:03 AM
The people in NC cannot stand Edwards as they know him to be the malpractice attorney weasel that he is. I would rather see Comrade Clinton or Osama bin Obama than Edwards in the WH, though personally none of the three will be good for America.
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/09/why_drudge_is_a_disgrace_1.html#comments
Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2007 9:05 AM
Edwards is definitely a strong contender. I'm considering voting for him and I'm a Republican.
Posted by Justin | September 21, 2007 9:13 AM
No, you are a lot of things but not a Republican if you vote for the Breck Girl (maybe a RINO). What are you thinking?
That's like me saying I am a Democrat and will vote for Tom Tancredo.
Makes no sense whatsoever.
But hey, it is your vote. That's the nice thing about being in America. Even if you are completely ignorant as long as you are not too lazy to fail to get out there and vote you can, even if you vote for the worst candidate.
Nice post there chester.
Interesting that it got about .0001% of the typical whining responses that the posts that are ascribed to QH and his sockpuppets gets. I guess it is ok to use "evil racist words" like nigger if done on a Kos approved thought...
Pathetic.
But typical.
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/09/why_drudge_is_a_disgrace_1.html#comments
Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2007 9:16 AM
Dammit. Sorry. Got those posts spliced again.
The second part refers not to you but to another poster named chester on a different thread. Sorry.
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/09/why_drudge_is_a_disgrace_1.html#comments
Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2007 9:17 AM
There are a lot of things I like about Edwards. For example, it took a lot of political courage to tell Americans that they need to end their love affair with the SUV. Also, while he clearly takes money from plenty of sources, I was glad to see him condemn the influence of lobbyists. Unfortunately, I too have a hard time forgetting how he made his millions. Lawyers like him are responsible for the public’s low opinion of litigators.
Posted by Robert Sullivan | September 21, 2007 9:30 AM
End your love affair with SUVs while I fly around in a private jet....
Hypocrite.
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/09/why_drudge_is_a_disgrace_1.html#comments
Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2007 9:32 AM
No wonder you are so bright, you have the genes and were raised by a genius!
Those of us who were among the few, the proud, the Shirley Chisholm voters of 1972 tried to turn America on a new course but no, you had to re-elect Nixon. To paraphrase Trent Lott,
"... And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."
Always listen to your Dad, he knows what he's talking about.
Posted by Not the senator | September 21, 2007 9:36 AM
Wow. QH is busier than ever. When the does that registration kick in?
**She is the most conservative of all of them, ironic that the right fears her the most.**
I'd say she ties with Biden, but yeah, she's always been much more conservative than the Scaife-Gringrichite caricature allows.
**Biden said one of the five on stage would be pres in 2009**
I think Obama has a better chance than three of the people on that stage. Including Biden.
Posted by Jim | September 21, 2007 10:03 AM
Too bad for you the registration didn't kick in before you all got owned the other day, huh?
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/09/why_drudge_is_a_disgrace_1.html#comments
Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2007 10:18 AM
No one "owned" anyone. 0% of the people on that post know anything about the regular commenters on this site.
Posted by JJ | September 21, 2007 10:25 AM
After watching the debate last night I must admit Edwards is a stronger candidate than I originally thought. He's got my vote.
It kinda shows the amount of credibility he has since he has generated so much fear in the Cowardly Conservative (QH) who is unwilling to even post their name.
Posted by Ben Bonsens | September 21, 2007 10:52 AM
Other than the fact your a bunch of losers sitting at a computer in your skivees. Typing to each other making no difference in the world.
Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2007 10:59 AM
Ana, you call you dad "Sam"? Who are you--Bart Simpson?
Posted by atothek | September 21, 2007 11:21 AM
Anonymous-- Yawn. Maybe I'll lift a finger and respond to that during my next code recompile.
Posted by Cube Warrior | September 21, 2007 11:28 AM
The only thing sadder than being totally owned is either not realizing it or trying to deny it. At least denial is the first step toward acceptance where failure to recognize it only smacks of ignorance.
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/09/why_drudge_is_a_disgrace_1.html#comments
Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2007 11:38 AM
AMC: I guess I like your Dad's 'politics' a bunch.
Since he is in Canada with very interesting Creds, would it be nepotism to have him as a guest blogger.
Maybe he could discuss Canadian Health beans and USA profiteer Health beans?
All these 'anti-litigator' folks should be in the business of taking care of some of the real 'medical mistakes' and witness the long term suffering. Personally, if the providers spent one tenth of the time and energy on quality control that they do playing CYA charting with expert legal guidance the anti-litigator folks would change which group of lawyers they dislike. Too which I would add the ability to lobby very successfully for laws tilting the playing field in favor of the providers.
Posted by linda | September 21, 2007 12:21 PM
I actually am a registered Republican and I voted for Bush in 2000. I clearly don't fit your definition of a Republican, but then, most of the country doesn't.
Whatever. You're the reason the Republican party is going to get killed in 2008.
Posted by Justin | September 21, 2007 12:44 PM
linda -
No one here suggested that there were no medical mistakes or need to seek legitimate legal recourse. I would, however, suggest that there are quite a few unscrupulous ambulance chasers out there.
Back when Edwards was accumulating his fortune, some researchers believed that some small fraction of cases of cerebral palsy were caused by stress during the birthing process. (That theory has been since discarded.) Edwards’ cerebral palsy cases – and there were many such – seemed to run something like this: A child was diagnosed with cerebral palsy. Edwards’ staff would examine the fetal monitor records from the child’s delivery. If the monitor showed any signs of stress while the baby was being squeezed through an opening much smaller than its head, and if the doctor had not immediately ordered a Caesarian, then Edwards would sue. Despite the fact that there was no way of telling whether that case of cerebral palsy was one of the small fraction then believed to be caused by stress or one of the large number due to other causes, the doctor and hospital were blamed. Juries were shown a sick baby and a grieving mother, and were reminded that the doctor and the hospital had more money than the mother, and were insured anyway. Edwards would walk away with a large slice of the take.
(Meanwhile, other lawyers – quite possibly including Edwards – were busily suing doctors for performing unnecessary Caesarians.)
Am I unhappy that the parents of those unfortunate children made some money? No, not really. We all paid for the settlements through the higher doctors’ and hospitals’ fees required to pay the higher insurance rates, but we would have paid to take care of the poor unfortunates anyway. I am, however, unhappy that so many cynical lawyers became so rich in the process.
Posted by Robert Sullivan | September 21, 2007 12:54 PM
Ana, if you had been one of the questioners at last night's forum, would you have asked the candidates about the ad??!! It seemed so gobsmackingly important to you when you were "interviewing" General Clark. Could you please write more about the ad. I haven't seen it discussed in anywhere near the depth that it "deserves" here at Swampland. Why are you trying to bore us with this policy stuff? The ad! Tell us about the ad! Ask about the ad! Get responses about the ad!
Posted by patroclus | September 21, 2007 1:34 PM
"The only thing sadder than being totally owned is either not realizing it or trying to deny it. At least denial is the first step toward acceptance where failure to recognize it only smacks of ignorance."
------------------------------
How does a thread getting flooded with over a thousand comments equate to anyone getting owned?
A bunch of Drudge readers came over and eviscerated Joe, because they think Drudge is great? Be still my beating heart, lest the ownage kill me.
If Rush Limbaugh were to tell all of his radio listeners to come over here and flood a thread with rubbish, would he have owned us too?
- Scott
Posted by Scottoest | September 21, 2007 2:09 PM
Well, most of the regulars did flee to the hills. Except for KOS KIDZ and I don't think he really helped you guys a whole lot...
It was great!
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/09/why_drudge_is_a_disgrace_1.html#comments
Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2007 6:56 PM
KOS KIDZ is a neocon troll...
Posted by Anonymous | September 21, 2007 9:46 PM
Well, Father Cox seems pretty sensible. What the heck happened to his daughter? Oh yeah, she got gobbled up by Time and now hobnobs with Carney and Klein and Matthews and Quinn and Broder and Dowd and etc etc. Ugh.
Posted by jbk | September 22, 2007 12:56 AM
You wish he was.
Posted by Anonymous | September 22, 2007 12:15 PM
More like the heart and soul of the modern american liberal I would say.
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/09/why_drudge_is_a_disgrace_1.html#comments
Posted by Anonymous | September 22, 2007 12:16 PM
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Posted by Francesco Sinibaldi | September 22, 2007 2:58 PM
Il y a le désir…..
Il y a le désir dans le son de la fugitive
neige: j'écoute l'harmonie quand les mots
de la vie arrivent tendrement où la prairie
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Posted by Francesco Sinibaldi | September 24, 2007 12:24 PM
Anonymous = KOS KIDZ.
Oh, and Anonymous- I hope you get ebola.
Haha. I "totally owned you."
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Want to start your private office arms race?
I just got my own USB rocket launcher :-) Awsome thing.
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You can get the gadget here: http://tinyurl.com/2qul3c
Check out the video they have on the page.
Cheers
Jacob Roder
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This is where you’re going to find the "latest sales, rebates, and limited-time offers" from
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Next, there’s the special Sale link. This is open every Friday, and ONLY on Fridays.
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Posted by libya | September 22, 2008 9:58 PM